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'Frivolette' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 89-426
most recent 25 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 NOV 15 by Eric Timewell
As Margaret Furness says, the rose so-named in Australia does not match the Catalan description, scarlet shaded orange and salmon. It certainly looks like a Dot HT, perhaps 'Carles Fargas' (1935), said to be soft pink, but the Catalan photos show the same pale yellow centre as the Australian rose.

More likely it is Dot's very first rose, 'Francisco Curbera' (1923), very double, salmon pink and yellow; and in its photo looking very similar to the Australian Frivolité.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 25 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
What Catalan description? Eric if you have references of interest, would you add them please.
We did not have ONE reference on this rose before I started adding them today.

Both you and Margaret should check out the "many thorns" in the 1958-247 reference.
And take a look at the various colours: deep pink & gold was mentioned in the 1958-104 reference, amongst others like red-orange, salmon-red, scarlet shaded orange & salmon.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 25 NOV 15 by Eric Timewell
The Catalan website Amics de les Roses de Sant Feliu de Llobregat lists Frivolite (no accent on the e), described as "scarlet shaded with orange and salmon". A bush by Pedro Dot, 1956. Flowers are large, very double with 50 petals, very fragrant, compact and vigorous growth. Peace X Catalonia. In other words, it's just a translation of Modern Roses. No photo is shown, but there are photos of Carles Fargas and Francisco Curbera, the second looking very double and like the Australian Frivolité. It also looks very like the single oddly-lit photo on Help Me Find, presumably taken at Sangerhausen.

Friera's "Rosas de España" came out in 1957 but has no mention of Frivolite, Frivolité or Frivolette.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 25 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
Another thought. Ruston's 1987 list did not carry 'Carles Fargas' or 'Francisco Curbera'.
But he did carry other Dot roses like 'Girona', 'Linda Porter', 'Pilarin Vilella, and Vigoro.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 25 NOV 15 by Eric Timewell
Fine, but none of those roses is like Frivolité. Vigoro is said by les Amics de les Roses to be salmon pink opening bright silky pink, which would be the closest to it of the bunch. But Frivolité opens up very pale pink.

The flower stems of Frivolité, by the way, are often 15 inches (38 cm) long. They are thornless, but if you look closely there are embryonic dentations which might become thorns. Below the stems, the growth is heavily armed with thorns. The flowers have 53–65 petals.
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