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Initial post 20 FEB by AquaEyes
I wonder if anyone growing this could compare it to 'Belle Amour'. It's hard to find photos of "Fairmount Semi-Double" anywhere beyond the High Country Roses website.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 20 FEB by Nastarana
The HCR pictures sure look like Belle Amour. I might have to buy one this year.

I also strongly suspect that their "High Country Banshee" is identical to another Colorado found rose "Graveyard Alba", which seems to have disappeared from sight and never was in commerce. I think it has pretty well been determined that HCR's "Jeremiah Pink" is Banshee. Beautiful and huuge bush, wonderful display if you have room for it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Belmont
I will be posting some pics of FSD soon.

I can see how you could think they look similar from some of the pics. However, in real life Bell Amour has a warmer color. Some say coral or peach but I wouldn't go that far. Also, BA bloom is smaller and more double, has the myrrh scent, and its canes are much thornier. FSD is hardier.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Banshee
Per Cheryl Netter, this is indeed Banshee.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
Do you know Ms. Netter? The website address we have for her on HMF is inactive. Is Langford Garden her home garden?

IDK about the correct ID of "Banshee". Unless it is indeed the same as "Jeremiah Pink", I have never grown it. I would like more information about Ms. Netter's "Graveyard Alba".
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Banshee
Hi Nastarana,
Langford Homestead is my garden in New Hampshire. I'm having trouble figuring out how HMF organizes member information and different ways of communicating, Q & C, Member Garden, etc. Cheryl Netter is in Colorado. I don't know her personally but I private messaged her because another HMF member mentioned she had information about Banshee. She kindly responded and said my rose could be Banshee based on the enlongated calix and some other characteristics. She said she'd had a discussion with Paul Barden (Oregon rosarian also no longer active on HMF) and they determined that the foliage was key. She suggested posting detailed closeup photos of the foliage and stems, and based on that she confirmed my rose is Banshee. She also very emphatically said HCR's rose is not Banshee. I think she might be the rosarian HCR mentions in their catalog, lol. I don't think she was the one that mentioned "Graveyard Alba," I'll try to find that post.
Best regards,
Mimi Alberu, AKA "Banshee" (ironic that I chose that ID name)
Langford Homestead Farm
Candia NH 03034
603-867-739\7
levi.jeans.gardens@tuta.com
Please feel free to contact me directly. Don't know where you're located but I'm happy to share cuttings or plants.

PS - check out Banshee photos on HMF member eyesaeyesa's profile.
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Initial post 8 days ago by Banshee
I'm writing this to explain why I happened to choose Banshee as my HMF ID.

This is the only rose that survived from my original 2001 rose garden. Over 30 years ago a friend and I found it in an old cellar hole in New Hampshire. I brought a cutting and flower to Mike Lowe of Lowe's Roses in Nashua. He said it had three names. The Loyalist, Banshee, and American Rose. It was brought to Canada by Scottish loyalists, therefore the name The Loyalist.

I'm quoting from an article about The Loyalist rose:

The Camerons, the MacLeods, and the Loyalist Rose
by Major George D. (Duff) Mitchell, MC, CD, UE
Legend has it that the Loyalist Rose originated in the Damascus region of today’s Syria and was brought to Britain by Crusaders in the 11th Century. Identified as “Maiden’s Blush” of the Rosa Alba family it appeared in Renaissance paintings and is described as “a cupped, very double fragrant pale pink rose fading almost to white, bushy, densely branched, blooming well in June.

Ethel (Campbell) MacLeod (1914-1978) delved into the history of their ancient rose and first garnered publicity for its Loyalist aspect in the National Geographic Magazine when its lengthy article,”The Loyalists,” featured a picture of the couple’s Loyalist rose in April 1975.She registered “The Loyalist Rose” with the International Registration Authority for Roses. She then donated it to The United Empire Loyalists’ Association of Canada to mark the BI-Centennial of the American Revolution and the coming of the Loyalists to Canada.

Online photos of Banshee don't look like this rose - all but one, that is. I've subsequently purchased a rose from High Country Roses that they call Banshee High Country because they say rosarians in Denver think it's something else. They didn't identify the Denver rosarian so if anyone has any info please comment. I just planted it this year, so it hasn't bloomed yet.

The HMF photo of Maiden's Blush is a much darker pink than my rose. I also just purchased and planted two roses called Maiden's Blush from Fedco Trees in Maine. It will be interesting to see how they compare.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 8 days ago by Nastarana
I have two plants of "High Country Banshee". I strongly suspect, but cannot prove, that HCB is the same rose, also found in Denver, called "Graveyard Alba". GA was grown by one Cheryl Netter, who posted her spectacular photos online, though not on HMF.

I also grow "Jeremiah Pink", sourced from High Country Roses, and stated by some to be "Banshee".

Neither is the same as 'Great Maiden's Blush'. I personally consider HCB to be an alba hybrid, which grows in a rather non alba fashion. It throws out loong canes, rather like a large flowered rambler.

Contrary to what HCR states, I do not think JP is an alba. I question whether it has any canina genes in it. The foliage is different, tending to a lighter, grass green color, and the growth habit, in my zone 5 garden is yuuge. JP takes up space, far more than any alba I have seen. It is definitely a back of the border fence rose.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 days ago by Banshee
Thanks for the information. I'm posting a photo taken today, with one of HCR Banshee for comparison. HCR Banshee has smaller, rounder, almost bluish foliage. I'll try to find the Cheryl Netter photos, do you have a website address for her?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 days ago by jedmar
In the 2001 study of Found roses in Sweden and neighbouring countries, the rose known as "Banshee" or "Mustialanruusu" or Rosa suionum Almq. resp. 'Minette' was named 'Belle Cathérine' based on its commercial introduction in 1918 under that name. The DNA profile made with 6 markers established a 68% similarity with the Damasks 'Kazanlik' and 'Quatre Saisons'.
A summary of the findings is found under the listing "Mustialanruusu". We have added a short reference to "Banshee" in order to link these up.
The various photos of 'Banshee' in your post can all be found on page 181 of the abovementioned book: this rose seems to be very variable in its appearance!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 days ago by Banshee
Thank you!
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Initial post 10 days ago by Ms.Lefty
I remember reading somewhere that "Dortmund" self-seeds very easily, but that most of the seedlings resemble the mother plant. This certainly was the case for me - The "Dortmund" I grew long ago has died, but I found a seedling next to it, which I gave to a friend. (NO, it was NOT a sucker.)

At least a decade later, that seedling is growing over her rose arbor and is HUGE. I don't see any difference between what I call "Dortmund's Daughter" and her mom. I'lll have to check it more closely!
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 days ago by Nastarana
Was Ralph Moore's 'Shadow Dancer' a planned cross or might it have been a chance seedling?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 7 days ago by Ms.Lefty
Good question!

HMF does list a number of roses that Mr. Moore "discovered" - perhaps some were seedlings.

During his long life, in addition to all his lovely minuature roses, Mr. Moore always seemed to be interested in crossing unusual varieties with each other.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 days ago by Ms.Lefty
Now I need to get "Shadow Dancer!" It's fragrant - and neither Dortmund nor my seedling are.
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