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28 DEC 05 by
 Cass
Ungainly plant, not enough flowers, blew fast, weak necks. Poorly sited. Might have done better if pampered. Same colors as Rostock, which is easier to grow and never stops blooming. |
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#1 of 4 posted
19 APR 06 by
JanineN
Hi Cass, so what will you do with your Abraham Darby? I live in Melbourne which is considered a temperate climate like San Francisco and mine gets sun from about 11 a.m. to about 4 p.m. in the autumn. It bloomed beautifully with large, fragrant blooms. Where did you have it sited? JanineN |
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#2 of 4 posted
20 APR 06 by
Cass
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Janine, Abraham Darby was composted several years ago, maybe six or so. If I grow it again, I will buy it directly from David Austin Roses USA or I will try it own root. It's a beautiful thing when it blooms, and is undoubtedly a very good rose in many gardens.
It was planted in a new bed. California coastal soils can have some soil chemistry issues such as high boron content derived from the slow aging of serpentine. However, the successor rose in the same location, the climber Sombreuil, has had no difficulties performing there. I assume my plant was a dud or AD is more sensitive to boron than Sombreuil. In fact, all the yellow and apricot roses I grow have proven very sensitive to soil and water boron levels.
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#3 of 4 posted
13 MAY 07 by
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Abraham Darby must grow much better in NYC than CA ! I grew one 10 feet high by 10 feet wide splayed out to cover a neighbor's ugly cheap rusted chain link fence. A photographer once risked his neck to climb the fence to get a picture of it . The meanest man in the neighborhood shocked me by stopping to tell me how nice it was. When he died his daughter asked for some of the flowers for his funeral. He mentioned how much he liked them. It has always been one of my favorites. -- Diana
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#4 of 4 posted
6 AUG 12 by
nbate
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Where did you buy your Abraham Darby? Mine in Indiana Zone 5A doesn't bloom frequently. It only gets 4-6 hours sun per day though.
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I was ecstatic upon hearing about Purple Buttons because of its similarity to Cardinal Hume. I fell in love last year with the Cardinal (oh, that gorgeous rich wine-purple!) and planted 3 in my border. This season, I am regretfully digging them up because they have ALREADY outgrown their space after just one year (The nursery had listed it as a 3' by 3' rose, when in actual fact it grows to DOUBLE that in a warm climate. So I am ecstatic to hear about Purple Buttons, which is the pint-sized version of the rose I originally fell in love with. I can't wait to plant it!
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#1 of 7 posted
21 APR 06 by
JanineN
Hi Claire - where do you live? you said "warm climate" - this is with regard to Purple Buttons doubling its stated size of 3 ft x 3 ft. This Purple Buttons rose is not available in Melbourne, that I can see. I am ordering this winter, Cardinal Hume as a stem (feature) rose. They call these "Standard" roses here - grafted on to a 36-42" stem. It should be beautiful and I bet Purple Buttons would also look great as a stem rose (do you call them tree roses?) The comment about Purple Buttons needing to kept away from the hot afternoon sun is now making me wonder if Cardinal Hume is the same, perhaps I will have to re-think its positioning in my garden as if it's anything like my Dainty Bess rose it will definitely have to be shielded from our hot afternoon summer sunshine. P.S. I live in Melbourne Australia (temperate zone - zone 9, also a warmish climate !) |
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#3 of 7 posted
21 APR 06 by
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Yes Janine, Kim is right, the 'doubling in size' comment refers to Cardinal Hume only. This misconception about the Cardinal's size is due to the fact that C.H. was bred by Harkness in England. Well, the latitude (or longitude, I'm not sure!) is England is such that there is much less sun on a daily basis than in the US, especially in the South, West, Midwest, and California. So the 3'x3' well behaved rose in the U.K. becomes a sprawling gangly monster when grown in the above cited areas. I'm not kidding, my first year Cardinal Humes threw out multiple 6' shoots within only months in the grownd in St Louis. If this shrub is given room, it will build itself up into a 5'x7' bush in a warm climate, or even 6'x8'. In sum: this one needs space! Claire, St Louis Missouri
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In the Southern California desert, Cardinal Hume quickly built up to nearly 8' tall by 10' wide! Luckily, I adore the rose, so it got to take all the room it wanted! You might find it interesting that this rose roots EXTREMELY easily, and it makes an excellent root stock! It's accepted every scion I've put on it, and has never displayed chlorosis in my heavily alkaline soil. Try it for tree roses, it doesn't sunburn easily, as is the case with Dr. Huey and others.
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#5 of 7 posted
4 APR 12 by
Chris
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purple button, first year.
came through 5A n.e. ct. winter very promisingly.
is that a word? chris
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Close enough for me, Chris! Thank you for this important information and congratulations!
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#7 of 7 posted
4 APR 12 by
Chris
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and to winterize it, i just planted it plenty deep.
maybe a shovel of soil around the base, is all.
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Janine, the comment about the rose doubling its size in the heat was in reference to Cardinal Hume. Purple Buttons doesn't double its size with heat. I bred it in the Southern California desert, so it does very well with hot weather. Yes, both my Purple Buttons and Cardinal Hume maintain their flowers better if shielded from the extreme, hot sun. It makes sense, both are very dark colored. Dark colors absorb heat, so they are more prone to sun burn. I can't imagine Cardinal Hume as a standard, or tree rose. It would get to large! I had a patio standard of Purple Buttons which Ralph Moore budded for me some years ago. It was perfect in a pot on my balcony, and would still be there had the building not burned down, taking all the potted roses with it. |
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I'm interested in growing Cornelia as a climber into a sunny open bush (tall cotoneaster). How would I prune or train it as a climber rather than a large shrub?
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18 JUL 06 by
JanineN
I couldn't help noticing your name is Portlandrose.. and am not too sure about year you made your posting in. If it is this year, well....I live in an area with a very similar climate though perhaps a little warmer (we don't generally ever get snow and only ever light frosts). I suggest you contact the following rose specialist grower in Silvan, Victoria in the southern part of Melbourne Australia -near here - Reliable Roses. Jean Newman and her husband Laurie have a huge range of old fashioned roses including Hybrid Musks and could give you some good advice. However, consider it is their busy season right now - digging bare rooted roses up for orders so be patient. Best of luck, Janine, another rose fan who lives near Jean and Laurie and am due to pick up my rose order soon ! Jean Newman, Reliable Roses, Silvan, Victoria Australia.E-mail Address: jnewman@vicbar.com.au |
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Hi, Portlandrose, this is an easy one! The majority of the Hybrid Musks naturally grow into climbers, as long as the climate is mild enough. I'd simply guide the growth she wishes to give you where you want it to be. The only real pruning you'd need to do would be to remove any which isn't where you wish it, or which has shown itself to be unproductive or weak. Keep her dead headed and she'll grow and repeat better. I'd also keep the Cotoneaster laced so there is more light and air circulation to prevent disease and insect infestations. While the Hybrid Musk roses are shade "tolerant", like any rose, they'll give you better performance with more light and warmth.
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13 MAY 06 by
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I have a Cecil Bruenner rose and at this time of the year it should be aglow with pink buds. Mine is not. It is a large bush that grows on the south side of my lather house. It gets water and food (Bayer).
It is about 4-6 years old and has at times been cut back but this past winter I did not cut oit back.
Any ideas?
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Diane, you don't say where you live, but blooming is regulated by heat and intensity of sunlight. Here in Southern California, we've had our typical "May Gray" which leads into "June Gloom", so it's been cool and damp, preventing many genus of plants from performing as expected. If you've had similar weather, you'll probably have to wait until your climate approximates what you would normally have by this time of the year to see Mlle. Cecile Brunner behave as you've usually seen.
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#2 of 3 posted
21 JUN 06 by
Jody
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Hi Diane, has your Cecile B bloomed yet? I have a 14 yr old climbing Cecile B which has bloomed evey year so I don't know why yours is not blooming. Mine is planted with a Hansa. I have never pruned it, only deadheaded. I don't know what Bayer is but if it has still not bloomed you could try that new product Messenger. It is an enzyme. I have had two plants that refused to bloom spring to life with it and others nothing happens. but you might try it.Good luck Jody
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