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'Winter Gem' rose Reviews & Comments
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Initial post 30 AUG 14 by Patricia Routley
I think this rose, listed by Modern Roses 12 may be 'Marie van Houtte'?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 16 MAR 15 by Margaret Furness
Description changed from crimson-pink in the original Childs catalogue (see photo posted by Cyberose) to creamy-pink in the ARS list. Tracking down old roses has its challenges!
I wonder why it disappeared.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 MAR 15 by Patricia Routley
I've added more references and it seems a complicated web has been woven between 'Winter Gem' and 'Marie Van Houtte'.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 1 AUG by odinthor
In regard to the color change: I wonder if somehow the copy-writer for the Childs catalog got the rose 'Winter Gem' mixed up with the new Begonia of the same name and time? The Begonia was indeed "of a deep crimson colour" (among many others, Gardeners' Chronicle, vol. XXX, 1901, p. 439).

But looking things over here and there, I suspect that it's more likely that there were two Tea roses of the same name: Childs’ of 1898 which was crimson, which for a short time received a little distribution but not much, and a 1903 one from Conard & Jones, which was creamy white to creamy pink and which received wide distribution for a number of years.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 1 AUG by jedmar
That seems quite possible. We separated 'Winter Gem' by Conard & Jones from that of Childs.
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