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"Comtesse de Lacépède - in commerce as" rose Reviews & Comments
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25 OCT 16 by
Alma
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This Gallica seems to be very similar to 'Rose de la Maître École'. Both are growing in my garden and last Summer I could find no difference.
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Ha, I was just out studying my roses and noticed a resemblance, too. My Comtesse as a plant is still just getting going, though (and has almost finished blooming for the year), so it will be a while before I can draw conclusions, if ever. My 'Comtesse de Lacepede' comes from Petrovic.
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Monique has asked in Website Guest Insights: "Is it possible that the pink rose Comtesse de Lacépède is actually Comte de Lacépède? That would explain a lot of the doubts that there are about the Comtesse."
Not having either rose, as far as I can see from the references in both roses, the Comtesse is flesh pink, silvery pink, silvery blush, and carne (think raw meat colour, and which was once upon a time termed “flesh”). Confusing eh?
The Comte is lilac pink.
Apparently the "Comtesse de Lacépède (in commerce as)” is crimson and too dark to be either the Comtesse or the Comte. [but it could be carne, and therefore the Comtesse?] However, your photos in the same file seem to be lilac pink, and therefore my very hazadous guess is that your rose is the 'Comte de Lacépède'.
Howzat for sheer guesswork?
Monique – you seem to have doubled up on photos in this "Comtesse de Lacépède (in commerce as)” file and will need to delete some please.
Admin - I think we may need a syn of ‘Le Comte Lacépède’ in the ‘Comte Lacépède’ file – or somewhere. Refer the 2007 reference.
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24 FEB 13 by
 jedmar
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It could be, but just as well, it might be a totally different rose. There is insufficient evidence that the Gallica 'Comte de Lacépède' survived over the centuries. If I look at the few mentions, I would guess it did not. It was not in Sangerhausen in 1936, nor in L'Haÿ in 1902, it is not mentioned as being shown in exhibitions in the 19th century. The references seem to reflect a rose that was extinct early on.
Patricia, regarding the synonym 'Le Comte de Lacépède', we have this case with practically all French roses of the 19th century, where they are mentioned with or without "Le" or "La". I think the search function allows these to be found even without the article.
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24 FEB 13 by
Monique
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Thank you Patricia. I have removed the double pictures (I've uploaded the same photo's to the Comte, but apparently they have been there removed and ended up with the Comtesse). Karin Schade of Stauden Rosen has on her website a picture of the white Comtesse, and by looking at the long petals of the flower buts, they seem very similar to me. Could the pink Comtesse be a sport of the white Comtesse, or is this pushing it to far?
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I think this is a great rose and that it is a pity that this rose is not grown in more gardens. She is almost thornless with beautiful flowers and vigorous growth en very good health. I'm trying to find out where this rose comes from, since there is discussion about which one is the correct Comtesse de Lacepede. Suzanne Verrier says that the original Comtesse has white flowers and that this is a totally different rose. It has to be a Gallica I think and it would be nice to learn its lineage.
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