HELPMEFIND PLANTS COMMERCIAL NON-COMMERCIAL RESOURCES EVENTS PEOPLE RATINGS
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Kathy Strong 
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20 MAR 15 by
moriah
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If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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#3 of 23 posted
10 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah
Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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Hi Jay-Jay. Just came across these comments in relation to Rose de Rescht. We have one here going into it's third season, own root, and I've just noticed there are five small new shoots about 20cm tall growing about 20-30cm from the plant. All are covered in leaflets. Are you saying these would be defined as suckers as for me they are new shoots from the root of the cultivar? I plan to carefully dig them out and plant them around the garden. One of our favourite roses here, flowers almost continually from late May until December. Cheers
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#13 of 23 posted
5 days ago by
Jay-Jay
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Do You have photo's?
At my place, at first the suckers appeared at that distance too, later on at 50cm.
It doesn't go berserk as for suckering.
I would suggest let them grow this season and dig them up in Fall. Than plant them at new places...
Or dig them up now, prune off 1/3 and pot them. Plant in Fall or Spring next year.
Good luck, Bonne Chance!
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Jay-Jay thank you for your reply and advice. I will see how much the new offspring grow in the next month and maybe replant them elsewhere in the gardens in the autumn. Two photos uploaded for you.
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#15 of 23 posted
3 days ago by
Jay-Jay
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From: mgnv.org/plants/glossary/glossary-sucker/
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
As for the web-address, I'm not able to post a complete link.
As for the photo's on that website: very informative.
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Jay-Jay thank you for the definition from the Master Gardeners if Northern Virginia, I will disagree with them as the English word sucker is mostly and wholly a negative word indicating that something is being taken from something, in this case to undermine / weaken the plant, whereas here we are discussing the natural proliferation of the mother plant, in good health and contented with it's natural surroundings. For what it's worth Treloar Roses has a reasonable explication www.treloarroses.com.au . Personally I prefer to simply call them new shoots as opposed to water shoots. Kind regards Peterloud@free.fr
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Many of the old roses we find on roadsides and in not-yet-tidied cemeteries or old neglected gardens have survived because they sucker. Likewise the ramblers survive because they root down (layer themselves). They spread into a more prosperous area, or spring back after being cut down or burnt, because some parts are in relatively sheltered spots.
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#19 of 23 posted
3 days ago by
Jay-Jay
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What do YOU consider as "water-shoots"?
The term (in Dutch) "waterloten", when used for fruit-trees, is often misleading... or even wrong.
What You call "new shoots" is called over here, describing it: "Grondscheuten" or "Worteluitlopers"... "Ground-shoots" or "Root-shoots".
A sucker is a new shoot from a root. Often after wounding the root.
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#22 of 23 posted
today by
Jay-Jay
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Peter/PierrelaPierre,
Better not post Your mail-address in a comment, to avoid spam. (You can remove it from Your post)
If You intended to give it to me, to react directly, better put it in a so called "Private Message".
Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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#20 of 23 posted
yesterday by
HMF Admin
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Hi Jay-Jay,
Can you contact the support dept with details about not being able to post the website link.
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#21 of 23 posted
today by
Jay-Jay
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I did so, HMF Admin.
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I yesterday tried to post a missing plant “Little Rhody” with a link to High Country Roses website listing it for sale. This website would not allow me to post that.
And just tried it again. Still not allowed.
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#16 of 23 posted
3 days ago by
Jay-Jay
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From MGNV, when looking for "Sucker plant Definition"
From: mgnv org plants glossary glossary sucker
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
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#6 of 23 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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#7 of 23 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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#8 of 23 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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#9 of 23 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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#11 of 23 posted
25 JAN 24 by
Nastarana
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'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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Based on the code, pollen parent is Oh My!, which I think is best red Florrie out there now.
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And plausibly Grand Dame, considering the codename, form, and slightly larger bloom size.
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I think Milano Kolorscape is the best red flori out there, but it never picked up steam. After a few years, it will produce sprays like Lavaglut, but without the blackspot and insane prickles. Roughly the same size plant and similar trusses of blooms. Its dark red but not black-red. It takes about 3 years until it produces those consistently.
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Except the know nothings at Kordes registered Milano as a shrub, not a florrie. So that means it competes with a whole separate set. Does it bloom enough? I tend to see only two good bloom cycles per year on my Kordes group, versus four or more with Weeks and Star good varieties. I suspect Kordes prioritizes disease resistance over bloomiferousness. I would rather have the blooms.
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Yikes. Listed flori online, but I no longer own those ars combined manuals. That's so sad. It has the exact same architecture as Princess of Wales.
Yikes, found it... www.modernroses.org/details.php?cultivar=2039
Depressing.
Milano is an everbloomer. It's not one of their giants. It is healthy, but should not be in the Kolorscape group. It's just a little flori guy.
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At what point did the Koster line develop ball-shaped blooms? There are no photos of some between D. Koster and the original rose of this lineage. The ball-shape is definitely unique.
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#1 of 5 posted
13 days ago by
jedmar
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#2 of 5 posted
13 days ago by
Nastarana
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I have also seen a similar change in an (alleged) sport. Some years ago, I bought a body bag of 'Royal America', sport of 'America'. I was at the time also growing the sport parent. RA showed growth and habit identical to 'America', but the cream colored flowers opened in a kind of globular, cup shape, not at all like the flatter 'America'.
RA is no longer in commerce, which is a pity, because I found it an excellent pillar type rose. I think the sport may have been found by a wholesale company, which propagated and sold it for as long as the patent lasted.
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I grew Margo Koster and Mother's Day when roses were new to me as a teenager. If they didn't powdery mildew so bad, I'd consider one again. They ARE cute, and the little ball blooms are funny to look at in a good way. I think my MK was virused because then no one cared about cleaning up root stock, although maybe virus free are out there now.
I saw a pure gold sport of Chris Evert at Washington Park for years, but could not ask for cuttings as it was still in commerce. Its gone now though :(
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As a joke, I once dipped the cut end of a spray of Sneprincesse (the white sport in this line) in blue dye to dye the white blooms light blue and showed it at our County Fair in the “unregistered/unknown” class under the name Blue Balls. The local retail nursery then had a stream of people come in and ask to buy it.
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That's absolutely amazing.
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She’s a real mildew magnet in San Diego.
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