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This is pretty much how the hips on my 'Rose du Roi -- original' look. My rose came from Vintage Gardens, who propagated it as a reversion from their 'Panachee de Lyon', so it makes sense that they'd look the same, though that doesn't confirm or deny your comment. However, I also have 'Portlandica' and 'Marbree', which are considered true Damask Perpetuals (rather than the Portland-ish Hybrid Perpetuals with China blood), and they, too, have hips like this. Considering that the Damask Perpetuals descended from 'Quatre Saisons' crossed with Gallicas and further bred inter-se, that Damask traits reappear wouldn't be something unheard-of -- especially since they also inherited rebloom from 'Quatre Saisons'. I suspect that roses of Damask Perpetual ancestry which didn't rebloom simply took more after their Gallica side, and were classed as such.
Just some of my musings.....
:-)
~Christopher
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29 MAY 19 by
 jedmar
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Hi Christopher, a reversion from 'Panachée de Lyon' is definitely a worthwile candidate for the true 'Rose du Roi'. My comment was based on the comments on the various hips of damasks and damask perpetuals I collected last year. I will show them here again to illustrate my point: The damasks seem to have this elongated hip. 'Red Damask' in commerce is apparently related to the centifolia 'De Meaux' and has a round hip. The few other Portlands I have produced more or less rounded hips on short stalks, even 'Rose du Roi à fleurs pourpres'. Now it is possible that this latter rose in commerce is not the original sport of 'Rose du Roi' but a different seedling, and that 'Rose du Roi' had more a damask character. I would welcome comments and photos on this subject.
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