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"R. Soulieana - R Moores putative version" rose Reviews & Comments
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I note there is no "lineage" link by which to research descendants. (E.g. MORsoucrest, etc.)
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Yes, there appears to be an issue with the display of this rose. Possibly the length of the name is causing an issue. We will take a look.
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This rose promises to be a beast. In less than 2 years, I have very flexible, long canes trained 8 feet up into a crepe myrtle, another 8 feet out, from where they drape nearly to the ground. Unfortunately, quite thorny though. I am hoping for an ample bloom cycle next spring.
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How many petals? Is the bloom single, semi, or double?
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Five petals, white.
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Thank you Kim. Have you compared it with the single white R. Multiflora?
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You're welcome, Patricia. No worries, it is NOT multiflora. Paul Barden currently grows the largest plant of it in existence. If it was something easily identified as something else, certainly Paul would have made that identification.
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OK, thank you, i took my iPad down to my R. multiflora this morning as the cane photo looks so familiar to me. Perhaps some bloom photos etc might be good in the future.
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Paul sent me two plants of it last year. I sent one to a friend in Tennessee who was to open a nursery and the other to Jonathan Windham at Clemson University to get established there in his species rose collection. I don't have any photos of it. My goal was to get it "out there" to preserve it. Unfortunately there isn't room in my yard for it.
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I'm glad to see this rose get its own listing.
I'm fairly certain the plant is a hybrid with multiflora, due to the fringed stipules. I also believe this because the plant displays tremendous vigor (hybrid-vigor), putting on several feet of new growth in a few months. It also roots extremely easy. This plant could definitely become a problem in some areas.
Here is a photo of leaves from R. multiflora (white flower) and R. multiflora adenochaeta (pink flowers) to compare to:
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.285321
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I too have come to believe this is actually a multiflora hybrid. There are many R. multiflora traits this rose displays: the fringed stipules, thorns, growth pattern, and notably - the fragrance, which is very VERY similar to R. multiflora. If I had encountered this plant somewhere, and not known its putative identity, I would almost certainly have ID'd it as a R. multiflora hybrid or variant.
I suspect this is a hybrid with some modern remontant (China derivative), which would explain why it is capable of generating a high percentage of repeat blooming seedlings.
MORsoul is a cross of Anytime X "Moore's soulieana" and looks for all the world like a modern Polyantha - the type you'd get from a multiflora hybrid.
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In species hybrids where the hybrid looks near identical to the species, traits that I have found that are altered by hybridity tend to be hard to catch. Among those are petal and foliage substance (usually thicker) and internode spacing.
In the photos, there is a loss of blue tone. The internode spacing looks similar in the photos I could clearly see such a thing. The foliage looks slightly larger in the Moore selection.
Ploidy would be helpful.
I assume the source of the selection and year found or created is unknown.
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Whatever Ralph's "soulienana" is, its definitely NOT R. multiflora. I wish I knew how Ralph obtained this. Given the fact that it frequently produces remontant seedlings when crossed with modern remontants makes me think its a hybrid.
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I'd like to think its Rosa soulieana x Florodora for the sake of cosmic humor.
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It's certainly something, given enough more time than he enjoyed, he probably would have come up with. Perhaps someone who grows both should investigate... Paul?
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I'm pretty sure I no longer have Floradora here. It succumbed to disease when I stopped using fungicides in 2010.
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There are about 20 of them in Portland in that weird park separated by neighborhoods. Not that it's worth the time and effort.
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Initial post
10 OCT 21 by
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Something with the name is causing breaks around pictures of this rose (eg see a lot of
R. Soulieana - Ralph Moores putative version"' rose photo" title="'"R. Soulieana - Ralph Moores putative version"' rose, click to enlarge">
on the photos and the description tab)
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Noted, thank you for taking the time to alert us.
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