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"George Whatson" rose Reviews & Comments
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Many thanks for all your superb photos uploaded today Margaret. You can certainly grow roses!
Can those who grow “George Whatson” please check the characteristics on the main page please. I am not so sure the description of the receptacle is a “quite large rounded cup” as we have at the moment. Ozoldrozer’s photo seems to be almost a straight-sided receptacle.
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Thank you. I've grown 4 gardens from bare paddocks, and I've never had such good soil before.
This is what the buds generally look like today (sepals removed).
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Thank you Margaret. “George Whatson” seems to have many similarities to ‘Etoile de Lyon’.
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No visible hips. Mid-autumn, zone 9b. Jane Zammit posted a photo of "very rare hips", but they didn't look like they'd have viable seed.
I note that most descendants of Souvenir d'un Ami are from its pollen, but one rose is listed as a seedling of Souv d'un Ami.
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Definitely does not have pure Tea traits. It looks like a mixed Tea of sorts.
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Thank you. I've added more photos.
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Margaret - the details given for this rose were "low growing". That may be misleading as your photo shows a taller rose. What is the minimum and maximum height of this rose please.
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The plants I know are young, hence the erroneous conclusion. From Jane Zammit: "Mine is sort of a typical 2m x 2m x 2m – original at Rookwood had a wider spread & not much height – could have been any number of factors to cause that.
Would suggest it is probably closer to Drawing 3 in Vintage Gardens catalogue than Drawing 2, as it can be a little more open and ‘rangey’ than others."
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Thanks Margaret.
Has anyone considered 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux'? That is a medium height rose. What is the colour of the wood, both for "George Whatson" and "William James Wright"?
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Jane commented that the growth of "William James Wright" was similar to that of RJG and of Mrs B R Cant, but doesn't have the colour variability of many of the Teas. "George Whatson" has similarities to RJG and varies considerably in colour, but doesn't have the bicolour tones of RJG.
The wood of my plant of "George Whatson" is green, sometimes brown on one side. I will post more of Jane's photos of both tomorrow.
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I consider this rose to be 'Souv. d'un Ami' which I posted in 2013 on the 'Souv. d'un Ami' page. After growing for several years I have become more convinced. Please compare to the Hermann Baisch lithograph in Nestel's Rosengarten1866
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I consider this rose to be 'Souv. d'un Ami' which I posted in 2013 on the 'Souv. d'un Ami' page. After growing for several years I have become more convinced. Please compare to the Hermann Baisch lithograph in Nestel's Rosengarten1866
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Becky and John - do you have "Bird Children Pink" in your collection?
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To summarise: The rose sold in Aus as Souv. d'un Ami came from NZ and is incorrect, so we don't have a gold standard for comparison with the various candidates on offer.
One is "George Whatson", collected Rookwood, following your suggestion.
Another is "Bird Children Pink", a stable pink sport or reversion of a white Rookwood Tea, "Bird Children". A white sport of Souv d'un Ami, known as both The Queen and Souv de S A Prince, reached Australia.
A third is "Almerta Orchard Pink", which is thought to be the same as the "McClinton Tea", which Vintage Roses suggested might be Souv d'un Ami.
I'm no expert, and shouldn't speculate on which of these - if any - is correct. Early illustrations can mislead, and it's difficult when it's uncertain whether anyone has the true rose to compare foundlings with.
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No, Billy we don't have that, just the G. W. Rookwood.
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My plant is still low-growing: about 2.2 x 2m wide, and little more than 1m high.
It strikes readily from cuttings.
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