I got my orders in as of this week. Palatine was average-size, but with very long, uncut roots. Hortico was Hortico, as per usual. Sadly, Pickering is no longer in business. Pickering was typically average-sized.

The old Edmunds was vastly larger in size. And that stands to reason, as it was in the 4th most fertile land on Earth, and in a temperate climate.

They all are mostly multiflora rootstock, which is superior in my climate. All of the Canadians do a short graft, which I prefer. I hate long grafts. Although I prefer own-root over all.

So far, from my experience, Palatin are not monster roses like the old Edmunds used to sell. They are quality, however. I do no like monstrous grafted roses, however, because they tend to take many years to look natural in the ground, as it takes time for their root systems to match the bulk up top.