'Francis' rose reviews and comments

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'Francis' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 117-604 most recent 23 JUL 19 SHOW ALL

Initial post 15 JUL 19 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Here is a mystery still to be solved: We have three ramblers 'Francis' listed.
No. 1 from Barbier 1907, documented in their catalogue as R. wichurana Rubra x Crimson Rambler. The bloom is red, yellow stamens, single, in large clusters of 25-50. Several similar references 1910-1936. No photos.
No. 3 is by Hauser 1933: Listed as a hybrid of R, wichurana x Crimson Rambler (like No. 1) Pink , double. Photos with large Clusters of changing tone from gardens and a nursery. Very few references.
No. 2 is by Fauque 1909. Could not find any mention in "Journal des Roses" or "Rosen-Zeitung". Lambert sold it 1914-1938, but the description is that of Barbier's. Jäger questioned 1936 whether they are the same. Stevens in 1933 states single and bright pink. Sangerhausen has 'Francis' as from Fauque, but in 1962-1976 had the description of Barbier's plant. Changed it only in 2005 to pink with cream-pink center and semi-double. The photos look like Hauser's 'Francis'.
I tend to believe there was never a 'Francis' by Fauque, as his cultivars were regularly announced in the rose magazines, but 'Francis' was never mentioned. Did Stevens make a mistake by assigning Hauser's rose to Fauque, and others then copied him? Who can find more on Hauser's 'Francis'?
Who can prove one way or other?

Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUL 19 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Information received from the grandson of Victor Hauser as stated in the 1933 catalogue: 'Francis' by Hauser is carmine-pink, slightly shaded with mauve, in large pyramidal clusters. This describes the rose now in gardens and commerce as bred by Fauque. Now checking with Sangerhausen	REPLY