THUD. Updating/re-posting, one from my childhood that I "could not live without" and paid for custom root and bought bands on top of that for a total of 3....................THUD. Not a BAD rose. EXACTLY the rose I remember and described in my prior post. Just really not a GOOD rose, not sure WHY I loved it so much, reminds me of Smokey and also Showbiz (HP is really a FL, it got mis-classed I feel) but Showbiz nails sprays with tiny ruffles and Smokey nails the odd ashey tones and poor HP sort of "maybe gets them right"................I do think it got under-rated and crushed in reviews on release. But it sure isn't an amazing rose. Like TAJ MAHAL.....I waited sooooooooooooooo long to meet this one again and it is like seeing your grade school crush 90 lbs overweight and sporting a mullet...............