'Comte de Bobrinski' rose reviews and comments

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'Comte de Bobrinski' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 168-603 most recent 24 SEP HIDE POSTS

Initial post 24 SEP by odinthor

I'm being nit-picky, but; In the quote from 1853 Mémoires de [...] Seine-et-Oise, "feuilles des feuilles" should be "folioles des feuilles".	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 SEP by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Thank you for the heads up! Corrected.	REPLY

Discussion id : 96-084 most recent 4 DEC 16 SHOW ALL

Initial post 28 NOV 16 by CybeRose

The Gardeners' Chronicle, June 8, 1889 p. 711-713
VEGETATION ON THE LIME SOILS OF THE MEDITERRANEAN
Henry Bennet, M.D., Torre di Grimaldi, Ventimiglia, Italy, June 1.

I tried an experiment last autumn with a bed of three year Boubrinski, a very sweet red Tea, which flowers all winter with us, and is much esteemed. One third were left alone, the second third had their roots pruned all round, and manure added in the circular trench made for that purpose. The other third were lifted bodily, root pruned, as advised by some Rosarians, and replanted in a mixture of manure and leaf mould after eight months' growth. I find the Roses left alone, without trenching or manure, by far the most vigorous; those trenched and manured, the next best; and those taken up and replanted in rich soil the worst as regards both growth and flower.

Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 DEC 16 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Thank you for these new references!	REPLY

Discussion id : 63-426 most recent 16 MAR 15 SHOW ALL

Initial post 10 APR 12

Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 MAR 15 by Stefan

I cannot find page 189 or the cited passage in my copy of W. Pauls "The rose garden" - could you please let me know where you found this?	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 MAR 15 by CybeRose

I accidentally erased this entry.

The Rose Garden (1848) p. 189
William Paul
Group 29, the "Rose de Rosomene," furnishes a remarkable Rose in "Comte Bobrinsky:" the habit is dwarf; the flowers varying much in quality and colour: opening sometimes beautifully, and almost scarlet.

The quotation is in the Supplement to The Rose Garden. Page 7 of the Supplement is p. 189 of the book (on books.google.com)

https://books.google.com/books?id=jyAEAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA196&ots=LjNtnufy2A&dq=supplement%20%22the%20rose%20garden%22&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false

Reply #3 of 3 posted 15 MAR 15 by Stefan

Thank you very much for your fast reply - this is quite interesting for me because I found a comment on one of the pictures of 'Comte de Bobrinsky' posted by Jedmar which says:
"American Rose Annual Book (1926) Page(s) 173.

Mons. J. Dupeyrat, Vice-President of La Société Francaise des Rosiéristes:
M. Nabonnand has also to his credit several magnificent climbing Teas and Hybrid Teas. Two rather difficult to classify: ‘Bardou Job’, a velvety scarlet flower, semi-double, issued in 1887 (from ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ x ‘General Jacqueminot’, and ‘Noella Nabonnand’ (Reine Marie Henriette’ x ‘Bardou Job’), 1901, one of the best climbing roses, of a rare vigor and floriferousness, exquisite perfume, and has many traits in common with ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’. According to him, it is an error to class ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ among the Bengals. It has no Bengal characteristics, neither in the form of flower, foliage, nor the peculiar perfume which it transmitted to ‘Bardou Job’ and ‘Comte Bobrinksy’ only."

So together with your entry from Pauls "Rose Garden" it seems to me as if 'Comte de Bobrinsky' could be a descendant of 'Gloire de Rosomanes' and thus be a bourbon rose.

Reply #4 of 3 posted 16 MAR 15 by CybeRose

Stefan,
I read elsewhere someone who insisted that 'Gloire des Rosamanes' is a pure Bengal with no Bourbon characteristics. I'm looking for the quotation, but having some difficulty. I'll let you know when (if) I find it.

Beaton (1852) had a mixed opinion, "Cramoisie superieure, in a mass, and edged with Fabvier, would make a splendid bed, and another bed to match might be made out of Gloire de Rosamene, edged with the common old sanguinea; this would be crossing the colours, Fabvier being a scarlet round a crimson, and sanguinea a crimson round a scarlet, as we may call the Rosamene, which, when used for beds, ought to be called a China Rose, instead of a Bourbon; but it is neither the one or the other when seen in full vigour as an edge."
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Heredity/Beaton/BeatonRoses1852.html

Viviand-Morel (1907) made a strange comment. I haven't found any other mention of a nonremontant 'Gloire des Rosomenes'.
"Si nous nous en rapportons à Laffay, la variété Prince Albert, hybride remontant, aurait pour origine le croisement d'un hybride de Bengale sarmenteux, non remontant, connu sous le nom de Gloire des Rosomanes, par un Rosier des quatre-saisons. Le caractère remontant de cette variété n'a été acquis qu'à la troisième ou quatrième génération et à la suite de croisements nouveaux."

Discussion id : 63-429 most recent 10 APR 12 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 10 APR 12 by CybeRose

La taille du rosier, sa culture, ses belles variétés (1864) p. 195
By Eugène Forney
Comte-bobrinsky. Fl. moyenne pleine, à pétales soulevés et en pointe, carmin foncé vif velouté, rose remarquable et d'une nuance particulière, très-florifère et constamment fleurie; elle fait plus d'effet franc de pied. Marest, de Paris, 1849. Convient surtout pour corbeilles faites d’une seule variété.