Yup. It is worth mentioning that because I was originally introduced to rose culture via rose societies and exhibiting, that I do tend to prune in that style. I try o remember to prune high every third year to let them recuperate a bit. So, my judgement of their size is based on how it appears from April through October, by pruning this way in February. For example, Moondance would present mostly vertical, with large clusters, and Iceberg would present somewhat fountain-ous shaped, with varied clusters and singles intermixed on the way up. In contrast during that time, Princess of Wales remains more formal, compact, and the architecture of both the plant and sprays tend to be spherical. How any of these produce an appearance with a very lax pruning style or schedule may differ.

Harkness has had some really wonderful floribundas, but I would agree it goes through some really bad phases, and because it has produced so many, that usually means it has produced a ton of duds compared to its diamonds. It has also produced some okay floribundas that really don't have any pizazz. 'Harold Macmillan' is a good example. Compared to the aesthetics of 'Livin Easy', HM looks like yet another orange-red flori to the public eye. If HM was healthier than LE, most would never know. I grew Red Abundance for 10 years. Total junk. Zero vigor. It only remained unculled because it was so tiny it was easy to ignore lol. I gave it to a friend that was curious about it. "Compact and red" sounds like a good plan. Same result. Should never have been introduced.