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A very healthy and reliable plant - nearly as tough as brambles, this rose has wonderful ordered prismatic symmetry to its large magenta red blooms and a warm, sort of redcurrant fragrance that can waft around the garden and that was my single plant in a plastic 30cm tub! A bed of three or more established in the ground would scent the garden excellently. In my opinion the smell is much better and more pronounced than the others in this series by Noack including the purple one called 'Laudatio', 'Purple Voluptia', or, in the UK 'Timeless Purple' which wasn't released until 8 years after breeding. 'Charisma'/'Crazy Pink Voluptia' was released earlier and only 2 years after it was bred - it's a superior rose.
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I got 'Eau De Parfum Bling' (what an atrociously stupid name...) last year. Apparently named Showpiece Lipstick in Australia (odd name, but at least more palatable). I wish I knew the difference between this rose and 'Charisma'. Its not apparent by the patent. I know others in the 'Eau De Parfum' descend from 'Charisma', 'Westzeit', and some other un-named semi-double light red type. However, Bling, which looks similar to Charisma in the photos is unclear in the patent. I had wonder if it was a sister they rebranded due to the success, if it was bred from it, or what. Based on the photos, what differences are apparent? Mine (own-root) is not fully mature yet.
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Hi Michael !
Going by the breeder's code for 'E.d.P. Bling' NOA16079 and Charisma's NOA16071 and the description with the patents 'E.d.p. Bling' is a very closely related plant which was probably more suited for better performance in the USA having resulted from the same crossing in 2007 (a sister plant as you said). Only Noack can answer this.
Certainly the flowers look very similar from the HMF photos but last year my 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) NOA16071 flowers (from a grafted plant bought in a pot 2 years before) were neatly stuffed with many smallish petals arrayed in such symmetry as to appear artificial. I'm not sure 'Eau d.P. Bling' has quite as many petals but I could be wrong. My 'Timeless Charisma' flowers grow in clusters like on your plant.
If your (own root) plant is very similar to my (grafted) plant then you're in for a real treat fragrance wise. Mine wafted around the garden and had a 'warmer' more pleasing smell than 'Fragrant Cloud' and I would say more noticable and fruitier than the Hybrid Tea 'Birthday Boy' which were among others I was growing in 2024.
Would you like to comment on the fragrance of your 'Eau d. P. Bling' ?
So for the general interest of the readers, the following are the five in this series by Noack:
1) 'Charisma' (Germany released 2010) = 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) = 'Showpiece Lipstick' (Australia). Breeder codes between the German 'Charisma' and the USA 2024 release called 'Eau de Parfum Bling' differ by just the end digit
2) 'Comeback' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Pink' (UK) = 'Showpiece Blush' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Blush' (USA)
3) 'Laudatio' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Purple (UK) = 'Showpiece Berry' (Australia) = ? (USA)
4) 'Audienz' (Germany released 2016) = Timeless Cream' (UK) = 'Showpiece Champagne' (Australia) = ? (USA)
5) 'Showpiece Orange' (Australia 2024 - but crossed in Germany 2013). A shrub with smaller, strongly fragrant gold/orange flowers in clusters
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That's a great point about the digits.
There is also Eau de Parfum Berry Rose. No idea where that fits in. Eau de Parfum Bubbly is the same as Showpiece Champagne. Some are patented in Canada, but I don't know why.
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I can't decide which rose name makes me giggle more: Beach Blanket or Tipsy Imperial Concubine
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Rose named 'Happy Butt' will always make me giggle.
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This has been a great rose. Its like if Savoy Hotel was a miniflora with wichurana type foliage. Its nice. Blooms well, stays healthy.
Problem is I expected a floribunda, and the white clover is taller than it, so now I need to transplant it to somewhere near the edge of a perennial border.
So buyer beware it is not large at full maturity by any stretch of the imagination.
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Why does the us patent info button on a rose give me an error message even though I have a premium
Membership? This has happened with all the rose I have checked
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It worked until USPTO changed their entire system. Even as someone with account access to the USPTO, its botched. Regardless of HMF, USPTO has not been working well for about 2 years. Its cumbersome to get into the system, IF it will let you on any give day, and then sifting through it is also cumbersome.
For new rose patents, I have been switching between Justia and Google Patents. NEITHER is complete whatsoever. If one doesn't have one, the other often does. Its strange. There is no good system right now, and nothing HMF could possibly do would fix this.
My suggest for others is to click a roses codename on HMF, Control + C over the name, then Control + V onto both Justia and Google Patents. IF neither brings anything up, try using their search functions for PP#####, where #### is the actual plant patent number on HMF listing. Do not use commas or spaces, because it will often just find that number in any patent but plants.
USPTO only has 2 plant specialists, and they have a few people working under them that work on the plant patents when they come across their desks. Plant patents are literally bottom of concern for the USPTO, and plant knowledge AND the specialized education required is so specific to college graduates that the govt finding, hiring, and retaining them would be a miracle.
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Yes, unfortunately the direct link via HMF does not work anymore.
- Search on your browser: US Patent Public Search
- Click "Basic search"
- Add patent number in Quick Lookup in the format e.g. PP36400
- Pdf of patent is shown under Search results
Very often you might receive a message that access is not possible, or overload or the like. In that case:
- open a second browser window and go through the above in parallel
- second attempt works 100%
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