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'Soleil d'Or' rose Reviews & Comments
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I agree with the assessment that Soleil d'Or is very cold hardy. It just came out of a winter that killed anything grafted and knocked most of my roses back to the ground. Here in Spokane, WA (zone 5, high desert) blackspot and mildew are extremely rare - mine is completely healthy with no special treatment. Just some triple 16 in Spring and irrigation.
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thank you for the info.
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That is surprising because the Pernetianas which I think were bred from 'Soliel d'Or' are notoriously not hardy at all, or so I understand. The Persian plateau does get very cold, I believe, so maybe Tea influence predominates in the Pernetianas.
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Pernetianas is from hot & dry climate, so they prefer alkaline soil. Pat Austin (orange) gets that fruity Pernetiana scent, and is very hardy in my alkaline clay. I killed more roses in the winter by making my soil acidic, than other factors. Still remember how I almost killed Wise Portia (prefer alkaline) by giving it used grapefruit water in freezing cold February. And more roses die through the winter if we have tons of acidic rain.
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Makes sense - our soil/water is alkaline. Roses seem to love it - assuming they can tolerate cold, dry winters and hot, dry summers.
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Sounds like my Chicagoland zone 5a climate. We don't have much snow in the winter, but extreme cold temp., -30 F below zero windchill factor. I grew up in Michigan, that was warmer & more snow. Summer here is hotter than Michigan, now it's 3 weeks with no rain, and temp. in the 90's. The grass is turning brown.
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But other hybrid foetida roses - Austrian Copper, for example, are very hardy.
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Is your soil loamy & fluffy alkaline, or dense & heavy clay alkaline? . Thanks for any info.
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I'd say it's fairly hardpan, although it is likely alkaline since it's E. WA. The challenge is that we don't have much topsoil of any kind since we live surrounded by basalt, so we amend with our well rotted compost pile a lot. Basically, use the compost pile as soil! Everything loves that...we have livestock, so it's full of well cooked sheep, horse, and chicken manure.
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Undoubtedly the WORST rose I have ever grown. If you ever wondered where the disease-ridden foliage of modern roses came from, plant yourself one of these! A truly wretched beast of a thing.
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Don't hold back Paul, tell us how you REALLY feel about it! I agree, occasionally gorgeous flower on a truly terrible plant.
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So... reading between the lines we're guessing you don't care for this particular rose?
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It served its purpose to bring the Foetida colors into modern roses, as well as short-lived foliage which becomes susceptible to fungal attacks more quickly. It is historically and genetically important as a museum piece. It can be extraordinary in the narrow band of climates in which it can be happy. Unfortunately, it is a very narrow, small number of the areas in which roses are grown. As a plant, no, I don't care for anything about it. It has some very interesting traits, such as the "Juicy Fruit Gum" scent of the sepals, peduncles and new growth and (sometimes) very beautifully colored flowers. Unfortunately, you have to take the whole package to get the fun parts and that's a pretty high price of admission.
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#4 of 23 posted
24 MAY 13 by
 goncmg
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I have to re-post here and smile because right now my Soleil d'Or is covered in blooms (with that delicious juicy fruit gum smell) and my band, now a 2 x 2 taught shrublet, is beyond vigorous. Yes, I admit, per my prior post I DO give it its "medicine" almost daily but for me it is worth it. There is nothing like it. And it is beyond important in the history.............I keep waiting for this one to totally FAIL me, and maybe it still will. Maybe my clone is just very, unusually-ish strong. It isn't even close to the worst rose I have ever grown but that is what makes growing them such a fun challenge. And I am convinced that there may actually be some human-rose synergy in existence and with some I/we have it, others I/we don't. I cannot grow Tropicana no matter WHAT I do. I have never had a bad experience with Sterling Silver. A cool, dry spring STILL has my Daily Sketch almost defoliated with botrytis and blackspot even though nobody else of the 100+ has much if any of either and I spray DS nearly as much as this one here.....................a fascinating relic, works for me, seems like it doesn't for a lot, I love it and would never want to be without it at this point....................I DO feed it about 50% more than the others. It also lets me NOT water it about 50% as much as the others (all mine are in pots, I gambled and realized its heritage is DRY and yes, this seems to work).....and again, I spray it beyond belief but last year it barely lost a leaf to blackspot and shoots out basals at an amazing rate....................think Soleil and I have that "synergy" that Tropicana and others (Redgold, Cathedral, Black Baccara, Daily Sketch, Countess Vandal, APRIL IN PARIS (!) and more) I do not have................................
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Careful...it's just lulling you into believing it isn't going to bite you! Once you're satisfied it is going to do its thing without issues, it will probably explode into fungal issues just before committing suicide!
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#6 of 23 posted
25 MAY 13 by
goncmg
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I refuse to believe it!!! LOL....but I didn't listen on Grey Pearl last year and my two bands bloomed themselves to death as you warned. Did really well until about August then one of the 2 just died. Then the other one went from looking good to looking upset and simply died over the winter in the imnsulated., never below 25 and often above 32 garage. !!!!!
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#7 of 23 posted
25 MAY 13 by
Greenman
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My Soleil d'Or is now almost three years old. I just posted some photos of its spring blossoms. It is true it has the worst blackspot of any other roses I have, but so far has sent out fresh growth periodically to make up for what is lost to blackspot. And to be honest, its only slightly worse than some of the mid-century roses like Circus or even some more modern ones like Overnight Scentsation. Right now, it is loosing most of its leaves and the more recent blossoms have been stunted, but it also has 3 basal breaks and several fresh growths from upper branches. Not that I would actually encourage anyone to grow it, mind. I fertilize it like heck and also occasionally give it a sulpher shower. Even then, it is usually covered in blackspot and has infrequent blooms other than the first flush.
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#8 of 23 posted
29 MAY 13 by
Benaminh
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Hmmm, go figure... there's a gigantic thicket of Soleil d'Or at the U.C. Berkeley Botanical Garden always covered in blooms. Guess it likes Strawberry Canyon's micro-climate.
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That's likely why it's as good as it is. Every rose is good somewhere. It appears this one has found its spot. IF you can see it perfect, it is spectacular. Unfortunately, it most often isn't. But, you can see why it was so exciting to Pernet when it flowered, can't you?
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#10 of 23 posted
30 MAY 13 by
goncmg
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Kim, exactly! Every rose is good SOMEWHERE and somehow, right? Be it just a strong clone or the right micro-climate or the handling by the grower that, for whatever reasons, "speaks" to the rose. This is why I guess so many of us are addicted to them! They are not "guaranteed" success stories but there are some GREAT success stories to talk about!
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#11 of 23 posted
11 FEB 15 by
styrax
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Very, very, very, very, very wierdly- this is one of the best spring performers in the practically uncared for Snug Harbor rose garden. Either mislabeled or somehow it tolerates a little salt, cold, humidity and rain much better than anywhere else. Stunning.
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The conditions are just right for it to be happy. Let the climate warm up sufficiently and see how it responds...
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#13 of 23 posted
11 FEB 15 by
styrax
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Heehee :P Or let the smog drift over once they finally extend the main road... Meanwhile I'll enjoy it
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#14 of 23 posted
12 FEB 15 by
goncmg
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Meanwhile a few years after my RAVE.....I still have my Soleil d'Or on its own roots. It is a lovely, small shrub in its pot. HOWEVER, lol, last summer it managed to RAIN in Columbus every single day. Usually Soleil had his "medicine" and yes, I would squirt him almost every day. But I lost the battle this year. And WHOA so did Soleil d'Or!!!! Wanna see a plant DENUDE from blackspot in a matter of HOURS? GOOD GRIEF! And once it did, there was no turning back. I won't toss it, it had 3 good summers with me albeit with DAILY "MEDICINE" but last year was a nightmare. It denuded around July 1 and tried to refoliate but then THOSE were knocked out. It sits, in my garage, awaiting spring. It is nude. It looks as it has looked since last July 1.
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#15 of 23 posted
12 FEB 15 by
styrax
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But those flowers and the scented growth make it almost worth it....
Now you can understand why this rose was released- the form and color of the rose is spectacular. It really was revolutionary, although it's a shame it's so so sick. I'll try to get a picture this May. It does not repeat.
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#16 of 23 posted
12 FEB 15 by
goncmg
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Oh yes, the scent is so unique! It smells like Juicy Fruit gum to me! There is nothing like Soleil. Quite a character. I have no plans to get rid of it. Just lots more "medicine." The first flush of blooms is insane! And it repeats very well, which surprised me.
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#17 of 23 posted
12 FEB 15 by
styrax
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The repeat is climate dependent, then! I have seen the foetida throw a bloom if it gets dry enough during the summer, so it goes under another dormancy.
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#18 of 23 posted
13 FEB 15 by
styrax
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I wonder how Lady Penzance smell like?
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#20 of 23 posted
25 OCT 15 by
styrax
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I saw a bloom hidden under the rootstock's canes in Snug Harbor. Darn, such color! If it were not for the BS, it would be a great rose...
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Is this rose shade-tolerant, like 4 hours of evening sun, or does it need full-sun? Thanks.
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#19 of 23 posted
5 JUN 15 by
styrax
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Actually, it turns out they let ti grow big (wrist-wide canes), which they lob back enough to prevent all but the occasional bloom, forcing it to push out good growth :/ Also, the spot is good- sunny and dry
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Definitely a dry climate rose. Here in Spokane, WA (if you are not familiar with Washington, the eastern side of the state is actually high desert, not "evergreen") it is happy and extremely healthy with zero treatment. But blackspot and mildew are virtually unknown here.
It shrugged off a terrible winter this year (2017) that killed off anything grafted and knocked nearly everything back to the ground. Not Soleil d'Or. It's bushy, and loaded with fat buds. And it was planted as a band only a couple of years ago.
So if you have hot, dry summers - it might still be worth growing!
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I agree, Soleil is doing well here (this year at least) in the dry part of southern Oregon. Has been blooming all year (right up till now in November) and has kept all its leaves. This is only my second year with it (and last year it defoliated completely) so I'll see how it goes, but so far so good! (knock on wood)
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This rose has been quite disease resistant in Portland, Oregon.
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I wonder if you could add some cultural details - sun exposure? soil pH? amendments? spraying? etc. - Most other people seem to have miserable luck with this rose, so if you've discovered the right conditions that it needs we would all benefit from knowing what they are....
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#2 of 4 posted
24 OCT 15 by
styrax
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Culturally, all it would need is what it received from it's breeder in S. France. It needs to be in an arid climate, maybe the Portlander keeps it under glass?
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That will be nice, if true...but it seems from what others say that even in a desert-y climate this rose can BS badly...I'm going to give it a try and hope to keep it healthy with milk spray....
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It's completely clean of disease (blackspot is unknown in my high desert garden), vigorous, and very cold hardy in my Spokane, WA beds. Dry climate and alkaline soil seem to agree with it.
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1 MAY 12 by
goncmg
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I love this rose!! Got a band last summer that just slept and did nothing.....spring growth has ben incredible it has gone from a stick to a full size, smaller bush and it covered in blooms. The scent is really unique as everyone says---I can see how it is called "orange juice"----to me it smells like fruitstripe gum from the 70's! Tart but really sweet. I have never seen anything like this living legend, so glad to finally have it and yes, true to form it DOES have blackspot already this year. It is in a pot by the mail box and I mixed up a little squirt bottle of "medicine" to spritz it on a daily basis..............
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