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'Waltzing Matilda' rose Reviews & Comments
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Re: Waltzing Matilda. Bred in Unknown (1963) by John Jack.
Peter Cox 'Australian Roses' p29 writes that John Jack was a third-generation rose nurseryman at Rochedale, Queensland.
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#1 of 6 posted
18 JAN 19 by
bonbon
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I once grew Waltzing Matilda. Between 1968 and 1998 I purchased many roses from Jock Jack. He had a nursery at Wishart and then further out, about ten kms to Rochedale. I liked Gladys Moncrieff. Peter Jack took over the nursery.
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Is your memory of ‘Waltzing Matilda’ more like the 1976 or 1996 reference?
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#3 of 6 posted
12 FEB 21 by
 Johno
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The description of 17 -25 petals is a bit at odds with Christian Dior’s petal count of 45 – 50, along with the downloaded image. I agree with WG Treloar’s comment about stripes and pink flecks that there lacks “enough variegations to be distinctive” in the blooms produced by the WM I grow.
This rose came from Thomas For Roses.
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#4 of 6 posted
12 FEB 21 by
bonbon
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Jock Jack not John Jack was well known to Morrie Duce. Morrie Duce has been a leading light in roses in Brisbane for a very long time. I would go with his 1996 description. He has been a judge for possibly more than thirty years.
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#5 of 6 posted
12 FEB 21 by
Johno
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Thanks for your response Bonbon. I don't disagree. I assume the W G Treloar was the founder of Treloar Roses so it is fair to say he was describing the Jock Jack find.
The query I have is petal count of only 17-25. MR12 does not list a count and I cannot find a reference to the number. Can you remember if your rose had as few as 17 petals?
The second issue is the streaking/flecks and how pronounced this was. Like other roses with streaks and stripes the rose can revert back. How pronounced were the 'flecks' on the rose you grew?
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#6 of 6 posted
13 FEB 21 by
jedmar
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I wouldn't place too much importance to the number of 17-25 petals. MR says "double". This can mean anything from double to very full, unless the number of petals is specifically mentioned. When reflecting "double" in HMF, the standard is 17-25 petals. Possibly this rose is "full". In many cases we have to revise the double designation to a more specific very double, full or very full, when there is additional information on the number of petals.
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