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It may be that Tantau used old rose ´La France´ to breed this rose. Don´t you think?
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Very unlikely :-) - Since La France to my knowledge is sterile and can not be used for hybridization. But the scent is very similar.
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#2 of 7 posted
21 APR 12 by
HonzaPM
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Niels, thank you for that information about La France and your kind comment.
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Perhaps La France has lost some of its fertility, if it won't reproduce for you? Helpmefind lists very large numbers of descendants.
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Thank you Margaret. Danish Rosarian Valdemar Petersen claimed it was sterile - but looking at the list of descendants surely contradicts this. Not that I want to use it for hybridization myself though :-)
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I think Mr. Petersen was reasonably correct.
I count only 11 first generation descendents from 'La France' 1867 using its seed:
Cannes la Coquette 1877
Danmark 1890
Mrs. W.J. Grant <1892
Principessa di Napoli (hybrid perpetual, Lodi/Bonfiglioli, 1897)
France et Russie 1899
Ober-Hofgärtner Franz Joost 1902
Mrs. Theodore Roosevelt 1903
Dr. Krüger's La France 1916
John Cook 1917
Silver Beauty 1956.
Morgenluft 1962
The other first generation descendents were using 'La France' pollen, or sports.
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Thank you for your reply Patricia - It could indicate that La France, have very low fertility - albeit not totally sterile since he and other hybridizers gave up using it. As much as I appreciate the beauty of many classes of roses - fragrance will always be an important trait I look for in a rose. Tantau have attracted some very good roses, that are both healthy and very fragrant.
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#7 of 7 posted
20 JAN by
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父母本都可育，但如果不喜欢末药茴香，需要注意。低温会出现末药。发芽率挺高。
[ed. As per google translate
"Both parents are fertile, but if you don't like fennel, you need to be careful. At low temperatures, the last medicine will appear. The germination rate is quite high."]
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Photo shows the rose Frühlingsduft - not Chinatown
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Sorry, but this photo shows Chinatown!
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Sorry, but it can't be.
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Does anybody know if this rose is going to be released in Europe?? Or if there is any European company associated wit J&P...
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#1 of 12 posted
26 JUL 11 by
HonzaPM
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Please, we need this rose in Europe. Help us. :)))
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Totally agree - I am eagerly waiting for this White Hybrid Tea to make it here to Europe too. It is getting good reviews. I will ask Hans van Tage in Holland, Rozenkwekerij de Bierkreek to see if he can get permission to import it from Jackson and Perkins. Very strange that a rose with this name has taken so long to get here :-) - Many Jackson and Perkins roses are rarer here in Europe than - elephants perfoming - Le Spectre de la Rose.
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#3 of 12 posted
21 APR 12 by
HonzaPM
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Niels, thank you for this information. Let´s stay in touch in case of any news you got.
I keep rose Annapurna in my garden, it may be simmilar to Pope. It´s fragrance is fantastic.
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I am sure we can get a nursery to import it if - Jackson and Perkins will allow it to be sold in Europe. It is rare to see a white rose -so pure and white since most white roses get spots due to rain or even just from the humidity that dew gives. And most say it has a very good fragrance too :-) So let us hope we can get it here by budding time in July/August - and then we needs to wait a year for the plants.
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Does anyone know if this has changed? I'm in the Netherlands and haven't found it online here or in Germany
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#6 of 12 posted
24 MAY 18 by
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Hi there, yes, this rose is few seasons already available in Europe. In Czech Republic it is sold by Starkl. They also have nurseries in Austria and other countries.
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#7 of 12 posted
24 MAY 18 by
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Here is the direct link.
https://eshop.starkl.at/edelrose-papst-johannes-paul-ii-1-stk/
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Oh, thank you very much! Perhaps HMF can add Papst Johannes Paul II to the names?
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#9 of 12 posted
24 MAY 18 by
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Bij mij groeit ie in de tuin. En in Vilebranch Bramble.
It's growing in my garden. And in V.B. too.
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Oh, that's wonderful. What is Villebranch Bramble? (Google doesn't give anything) Do you by any chance remember where you bought it? The link above from HonzaPM is in Austria, with branches in Eastern Europe, but not delivering in the Netherlands.
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#11 of 12 posted
24 MAY 18 by
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This is: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.22186
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Oh, it's a person :-) Thank you
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So rare and nice to see the real SDAL!!! Almost all other roses sold as SDAL are Erinnerung an Brod. It took me years to find the real rose. Where did you get yours from?
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#1 of 7 posted
16 JUN 07 by
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It's in the biggest rose collection in Australia, Ruston's nursery at Renmark. I don't know where it came from, but will ask David when I go to the nursery for a working bee in July.
Ennering an Brod isn't available in Australia as far as I know, but I've seen it in New Zealand.
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Sorry about the spelling error.
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#3 of 7 posted
17 JUN 07 by
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I look forward hearing about where this nursery got their budwood from. I am trying to track down the origin of the original SDAL, which you obviously also are the ovner of. Your rose is the same as the one pictured in Botanicas roses. Which is the real SDAL. I got 3 Erinnerung an Brods before I found the real thing. Did you also Notice among the other pictures here on HMF that some are Erinnerung an Brod? It really confuses other users to be shown the wrong rose, by those who bought Erinnerung an Brod. But of course they think they got the right rose, since it was labeled SDAL.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the SDAL in Botanica was the same plant as I photographed - I know that James Young contributed photos to Botanica's Roses, and he has done a lot of photography at Ruston's.
If you want to be confused by wrong identifications, have a look at Tea roses! Mme Lambard, for example, is sold under at least 5 different names in Australia.
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Really interesting information! I hope David will be able to tell where they got the plant from!
And yes I have seen rosariums like Sangerhausen growing the same rose under 4 different names!!! This of course makes it easy to claim you have more than 12000 different roses in the collection.
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Unfortunately David doesn't have a record of where his plant came from.
Margaret
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This plant was in the block of roses recently demolished in favour of a commercial planting.
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