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E. Veyrat Hermanos, cl T. The rose evidently does very well indeed on a wall at the Heritage rose firm in California. Mine was rather slow at the start but after 3 years has occupied the top of an arbor in my garden, and now is being led from there to a tree. Growth is fine, flowering is not. It balls constantly, only exceptionally opening very fine golden yellow flowers with cerise or other pink touches. Some have been reasonably large, others of middle-size. It scarcely blooms the rest of the year at all. This reticence to open has me puzzled, since it is hot but humid here in Richmond Va. during the summer. However, somehow I picked up a small book of 131 pages titled "The National Rose Society. The Society's Official Catalogue of Roses. 1913 edition. Compiled by a committee of the Society, Proof copy for notes and corrections," Croyden 1913. Roses are given name, class, breeder, year, and disappointingly few notes on culture. This copy belonged to the English breeder and nurseryman of roses George Paul the younger in Cheshunt, England; each page is faced by a blank page for editors' comments; its owner made none, unfortunately. Paul's father of the same name had died in mid-19th cent., and the sad thing about this edition of 1913 is that in the next year England plunged into an avoidable WWI in which she saw a generation of Englishmen massacred. The rose is vigorous and trouble free, though it blackspots somewhat; it seems winter-hardy here, where temperatures seldom drop below 32 degrees F. My trouble with Hermanos was explained the on p. 31: "Best against a wall." Mine isn't. Full sun and growth in good air-circulation is not enough. I'll leave it until fall, then give it away (2011) if it doesn't perform in the interim. Unfortunately I have no convenient wall where it might thrive in the future.
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21 MAY 11 by
jedmar
Our E. Veyrat Hermanos froze down to the ground this winter, but is now producing several new canes.
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In my garden, zone 9b, mediterranean climate, it balls all spring. The autumn blooms are wonderful, but whether they repay the plant's looking disgusting in spring is a matter of debate. But see the spring photo from Sacramento.
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Hi there - I also live in Richmond and was wondering if you have an update as to how this rose has performed for you? I have acquired one and am trying to decide where to plant it in my garden. Thanks!
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"Princesse de Sagan": My plant here in Richmond Va. from Heritage in Ca. does not look like the plate reproduced by Cass amid the HMF photos. Heritage sells two roses under this name, allowing that one or the other may be the real plant; and I've lost track which of the two mine is. Temperatures over the last 5 years or so average 101 F at worst for a week or two, low 30's and even a few high 20's F in winter, but this is a terraced garden open to the Winter wind. Rain in spring is generous, the summer is a drought, and rain begins slowly in Aug., with a very few violent Summer storms. Yes the world has been growing warmer gradually. The Tea I grow is very much like all the photos in HMF. It's about 15 years old, is a modest 5' tall, and unfortunately has a sideways growth to 10', which obstructs a path here. I seldom water and never spray. Flowers are of medium size, not quite full, plant almost disease free, thorns are smaller and fewer than usual on a Tea. There are a great many in Spring, another in Fall, and the coloring is very attractive indeed, which the HMF photos fail to reproduce. Looking at the plant, in full sun, from a window 50' above, the petals are a dark cerise within, followed by a much lighter pink, and white core that in sum makes me think of strawberries & cream; I can honestly say that the flower seems to glow in the sun like no other in the garden. They seldom open completely but keep a V-shape, and probably are not good for exhibition. Their continual adolescent (not totally open) appearance, not a 'bud', is also very attractive, but they can be coaxed open & then resemble a kind of spiral of color down to a white interior. Since I don't normally like pink flowers, you can trust that this is an acceptable mix. Unfortunatley in Summer the RIchmond heat darkens the rose to a kind of burnt red, and it's then rather ugly, & stems as usual with Teas are always short, so that they're not the best for cut display. Early this spring I made a mistake & fed 'blossom food', perhaps too strong. The flowers are many but too small & their best coloring not very clear. Not the rose's fault. But in general, taking into account the plant's outward spread, this is a fine bargain for a dependable, carefree rose.
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In my comment(s) on several roses, including this Princesse, I do confuse Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol Ca. with a "Heritage," which may not exist. Sorry for the difficulty.
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12 OCT 11 by
IanM
I wonder if the maximum height of this rose is actually a lot more than stated in the description. It is true that with warmer growth conditions and on better quality soils any rose can far exceed its original height predictions.
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Here in Zone 10 Florida our plant exceeds 6 to 7 feet, keeping it cut back to that...and thats after being ripped out of the ground by the last hurricane!
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Mrs. Ben R. Cant. T. Mr Cant was a great English rose breeder who must have waited years to bestow on his wife in her name his finest creation. My plant is like that in Hollywood Cemetery, in "The President's Circle," described in a previous member's comment. I live about 2 miles from it. Mine is as large as that, though a full ten years older (the Hollywood plant was planted about 10 years ago). Mrs Cant needs little watering, granted, but it also seems disease proof and needs no spraying. It also is a full example of the 'cabbage rose', but very rarely balls even in wet, cold weather. It is rare in spring that it begins the year with dozens of large, full roses of an undistinguished pink. There is a small number of blooms in the summer, but in falll the best bloom, as usual, is the most colorful, some approaching a light red, and now comes the largest blossoms. Its early criticsim sometimes called it a bland color, but it never is displeasing. The strong odor is the strange 'myrrh' scent mentioned only occasionally in other roses (another as I recall is named after another breeder's wife(?), Lilian Austin; my plant of that blackspotted, and its large, sprawling canes proved that it was planted in the wrong place.). This T rose, Mrs Cant, is easy to grow, free of disease, flowers exceptionally fine in a formal shape of deep body and swirling petals, not tempermental in a hot damp climate like Richmond. One has a generous feeling toward any rose requiring so little care to give its best so often.
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Beaute Inconstante: The rose in commerce in the US is not the same as that in Roseraie de l'Haye, Paris. The roses in the HMF photographs give a good likeness. THis is one of my favorite roses. It has the strongest fragrance of any rose of my acquaintance, spicy, sweet, and unforgettable. Disease free, needs no spraying here in Richmond Va. Survives the drought in Summer with a modest occasional watering, blooms heavily in Spring and Fall. The color always is interesting and unpredictable. Some cool, rainy Springs the color is simply a pink. The usual color is a mix of pinks, magenta, oranges. blending toward a yellow interior. As often, the best colors come in fall. If in partial shade, the color may be a kind of parchment or white. Two years ago in late April it seems that the alternation of heat and cold produced roses with a few more petals, sandwiching a row of ochre-color between two of magenta, very strange, attractive, and not repeated. Add to the splendid flower a plant with leaves that are 'wavy' in the best tradition of Teas, olive green in color. This is not a 'full' rose, which presumably is why the buds all open even in colder, rainy weather. Some of the flowers have more petals and size than others. If "shown," it would only be to illustrate what advantages the color and scent can give to a fine rose, and it lacks somewhat in 'form'. It is fine for cutting, and its color and scent look superb on the surface of a glass table. My plant came from the Heritage firm in Ca.
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