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A very healthy and reliable plant - nearly as tough as brambles, this rose has wonderful ordered prismatic symmetry to its large magenta red blooms and a warm, sort of redcurrant fragrance that can waft around the garden and that was my single plant in a plastic 30cm tub! A bed of three or more established in the ground would scent the garden excellently. In my opinion the smell is much better and more pronounced than the others in this series by Noack including the purple one called 'Laudatio', 'Purple Voluptia', or, in the UK 'Timeless Purple' which wasn't released until 8 years after breeding. 'Charisma'/'Crazy Pink Voluptia' was released earlier and only 2 years after it was bred - it's a superior rose.
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I got 'Eau De Parfum Bling' (what an atrociously stupid name...) last year. Apparently named Showpiece Lipstick in Australia (odd name, but at least more palatable). I wish I knew the difference between this rose and 'Charisma'. Its not apparent by the patent. I know others in the 'Eau De Parfum' descend from 'Charisma', 'Westzeit', and some other un-named semi-double light red type. However, Bling, which looks similar to Charisma in the photos is unclear in the patent. I had wonder if it was a sister they rebranded due to the success, if it was bred from it, or what. Based on the photos, what differences are apparent? Mine (own-root) is not fully mature yet.
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Hi Michael !
Going by the breeder's code for 'E.d.P. Bling' NOA16079 and Charisma's NOA16071 and the description with the patents 'E.d.p. Bling' is a very closely related plant which was probably more suited for better performance in the USA having resulted from the same crossing in 2007 (a sister plant as you said). Only Noack can answer this.
Certainly the flowers look very similar from the HMF photos but last year my 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) NOA16071 flowers (from a grafted plant bought in a pot 2 years before) were neatly stuffed with many smallish petals arrayed in such symmetry as to appear artificial. I'm not sure 'Eau d.P. Bling' has quite as many petals but I could be wrong. My 'Timeless Charisma' flowers grow in clusters like on your plant.
If your (own root) plant is very similar to my (grafted) plant then you're in for a real treat fragrance wise. Mine wafted around the garden and had a 'warmer' more pleasing smell than 'Fragrant Cloud' and I would say more noticable and fruitier than the Hybrid Tea 'Birthday Boy' which were among others I was growing in 2024.
Would you like to comment on the fragrance of your 'Eau d. P. Bling' ?
So for the general interest of the readers, the following are the five in this series by Noack:
1) 'Charisma' (Germany released 2010) = 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) = 'Showpiece Lipstick' (Australia). Breeder codes between the German 'Charisma' and the USA 2024 release called 'Eau de Parfum Bling' differ by just the end digit
2) 'Comeback' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Pink' (UK) = 'Showpiece Blush' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Blush' (USA)
3) 'Laudatio' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Purple (UK) = 'Showpiece Berry' (Australia) = ? (USA)
4) 'Audienz' (Germany released 2016) = Timeless Cream' (UK) = 'Showpiece Champagne' (Australia) = ? (USA)
5) 'Showpiece Orange' (Australia 2024 - but crossed in Germany 2013). A shrub with smaller, strongly fragrant gold/orange flowers in clusters
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Did 'Mischief' REALLY receive the 'Clay Vase for Fragrance in 1961 ?
It only scored 5/10 for fragrance and most online shops describe it as only 'mild', 'Medium' or 'lightly' scented.
Please see the very bottom of p.156 of the RNRS Rose Annual 1962 for the previous year's (1961) ratings.
The error might lay in failing to notice the colon at the end of the 'Clay Vase' award description which seems to indicate
that the real winner of the prize is at the top of the following page (p.157) with a score of 8/10 for scent:
'Westminster' H.T.
Raiser: H. Robinson.UK.1958 'Gay Crusader' x 'Peace'. Originally sold by LeGrice UK. 1960.
The HMF references page for that same 'Westminster' rose does say at the bottom
of the page that 'Westminster' got The Clay Vase in 1961.
However, Harry Wheatcroft wrote in his book 'In Praise of Roses' (1970) that 'Mischief' was the winner of The Clay Vase in 1961.
Perhaps Harry later read the RNRS Annual of 1962 and didn't notice the colon - or maybe he was
actually present at the judging and knew better than the information in the annual
-then the colon may have been a typing error by the authors of the annual?
Sam McGredy IV loved fragrance in roses and he was the breeder of 'Mischief' so it is quite telling that Mischief wasn't included
in his book 'Sam McGredy's Favourite Roses'
5/10 isn't bad though .
If anyone has grown Mischief and can vouch for the quality of its fragrance - well I for one would like to know!
Maybe it's average when sniffed but can really perfume a room when placed in a vase of water?
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Yes, apparently Harry Wheatcroft got it wrong, possibly he mixed it up with the President's International Trophy. The Reference from the Rose Annual 1974 does not list the Clay Cup for 'Mischief' either. Thank you for the heads up!
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The 'Mischief' rose by Sam McGredy possibly did not win 'The Clay Vase for Fragrance' in 1961.
The actual winner was 'Westminster' by H. Robinson 1958, marketed in the UK by LeGrice 1960 with 8 points for fragrance. This is correctly reported at the bottom of the 'Westminster' references page.
Mischief only got 5 points.
Please see my comments on the 'Mischief' page.
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Please see my comments below on the Mischief rose MACmi and possibly give a response? I think it's worth looking into....
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