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You have a rose, Ipsilanti, that I'm trying to add to my small collection of gallicas. Do you still have that rose and do you ever get any extra suckers from it that you'd be willing to share. I would definitely pay for a piece or pay for any shipping costs.
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You have some roses listed that I'd like to add to my small collection of gallicas. In particular, Gloire de France, Belle Sans Flatterie, President de Seze and possibly Incomparable d'Auteuil. Do you still grow those plants and do you happen to get any extra suckers off them that you'd be willing to share? Or perhaps even some cuttings that you'd share. I could certainly pay for any rooted piece or pay for the shipping of any cuttings.
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21 NOV 17 by
 pminor
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love your garden!!! I see that you grow belle sans flatterie I have been searching for a source for this rose Can you advise me where you purchased yours?
Thanks!!
Pat
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#1 of 7 posted
21 NOV 17 by
Catsrose
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I got mine from Vintage Gardens, now defunct. It suckers wildly, so I'd be happy to send you cuttings.
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22 NOV 17 by
pminor
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That would be so cool! I am happy to reimburse postage.
Sounds like i could get some rooted material, makes it easier.
Thanks!!!
Pat minor
32 celeste ct
Novato ca 94947
I am so happy to find this rose!!
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#3 of 7 posted
22 NOV 17 by
Catsrose
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I assume you have already tried Friends of Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol and the Bay Area Heritage Rose Society. I'm in Virginia, but I'll be happy to send you some.
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#4 of 7 posted
22 NOV 17 by
pminor
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Vintage gardens is no longer in business of sales though friends of vintage gardens has preserved the collection. I have joined and get newsletter. But retail operations closed.
I am so grateful.
Thanks
Pat
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#5 of 7 posted
5 FEB by
Yojimbo
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Do you still get extra suckers from your Belle Sans Flatterie? If so, I'd be willing to pay for a rooted piece or pay for the shipping of a piece. The only place I've seen it for sale recently is the Vintage Roses local sale, but of course they no longer ship and I don't live anywhere close to driving distance to them.
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#6 of 7 posted
7 FEB by
pminor
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Alas i am no longer sure where that rose is. I am willing to pick up a rose from vintage and ship to you. I have a friend living couple miles from them. As long as your state allows shipping plants from CA. And you reimburse me.
Let me know. Contact Greg at Vintage. He often still has toses left over after sales
Pat.
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#7 of 7 posted
15 FEB by
Yojimbo
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I was able to acquire a Louis van Tyll from somebody that ships and I think it's very similar. Just out of curiosity, do you know if Aimable Amie is grown anywhere in the U.S.? It's not even listed under any garden and not listed amongst Vintage's collection. It's another that is very similar. I've seen pictures posted of it on Instagram and Facebook from European gardeners. I assume it's different than Belle Sans Flatterie.
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The rose sold by High Country Roses in U.S. as Duchesse d'Orleans a.k.a. Lustre d'Eglise is not correctly identified. The rose they sell doesn't have the full and tightly petal packed blooms that it's supposed to have.
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#1 of 5 posted
13 DEC by
jedmar
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Thank you! Do you have a photo of the misidentified rose?
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#2 of 5 posted
17 DEC by
Yojimbo
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They recently posted a photo of Duchesse d'Orleans on their website. The photo appears to be from one of their own roses growing in a pot in their greenhouse. Previously it was listed on their site, but there was no photo provided. It's pretty clear that the rose is something else. It has fewer petals and an open center with exposed stamens. I had contacted them a couple months back inquiring about the rose because I was interested in purchasing it for next spring. Maybe that is why they finally posted a picture. I was skeptical it was actually the real Duchesse d'Orleans/ Lustre d'Eglise because I have never seen it available for sale anywhere else in the U.S. I decided not to buy the rose, but it could still be a quality rose, just unknown what it actually is.
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#3 of 5 posted
17 DEC by
jedmar
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The photo of the gallica 'Duchesse d'Orléans' on the High Country Roses website is similar to what Loubert has for the HP 'Duchesse d'Orléans' by Quetier. These photos do not look like the engraving of the HP which we have from 1853, but more like Redouté's Rosa gallica Aureliaensis/Duchesse d'Orleans.
The photos of the full pink lighter edged rose are for 'Lustre d'Eglise', which is apparently sourced from Sangerhausen to Loubert.
The issue might be that there are two distinct Gallicas and that the synonyms got mixed up over time. The 'Duchesse d'Orléans' of Redouté/Thory has only 25-30 petals, while 'Lustre d'Eglise' is very full.
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#4 of 5 posted
18 DEC by
Yojimbo
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Thanks for the clarification. I knew there was a hybrid perpetual Duchesse d'Orleans. I thought they might have mixed up the two even though they list theirs as a gallica and having alternate names of Grande Pivoine and Pivoine des Hollandais (but not mentioning Lustre d'Eglise). Since the flower looked more HP like, I compared it to the photos on this site of the hybrid perpetual Duchesse d'Orleans but not to the rose at Loubert. The Loubert HP seems like a match and has the speckling of the petals as well. If High Country's rose repeat blooms, and I assume it does, they should've known not to list it as a gallica.
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#5 of 5 posted
18 DEC by
jedmar
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Separated Redouté/Thory's 'Duchesse d'Orléans' as it is clearly a distinct rose and added the full reference.
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