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Jérôme Chêne from Loubert is gonna send me two versions of Mme Bérard, the Sangerhausen version and the l'Hay les roses version. What's the difference between them and which one could be the original?
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This is great. Will you let us know how they compare? The original was described as thornless.
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Madame Falcot in Europe and the USA isn't the orignal rose. It's Cream with light pink center but Madame Falcot is buff, light yellow and apricot. The original rose is a seedling of Safrano and she's almost identical but has more double blooms. Di Durston has found out that Comtesse Riza du Parc in Australia is in fact the real Madame Falcot. She had Safrano growing in her garden and when she purchased Comtesse Riza du Parc she was surprised about the similarities between Safrano and Riza. Her Riza looked like a double Safrano with identical foliage, wood, buds and petals. The rose she bought as Comtesse Riza du Parc corresponds with the early descriptions and drawings of Madame Falcot
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"Comtesse Riza du Parc (in Australia)" is variously labelled in other countries as Mme Falcot, the "Seven Days Rose", Dr Grill and Mme Charles. Too hard.
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Hi guys,
Is anyone of you growing this rose? I'm thinking about buying it from Tiziano in Italy? So little is known about this rose. Anyone?
Thx
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I have a rose being sold as Catherine Mermet from Loubert and The Bride can't be a white sport of this rose. Catherine Mermet in commerce in Europe is a Hybrid Tea without any fragrance. She is an imposter and not the original rose. The Bride looks like a real Tea so probably she is the sport of the real Catherine Mermet. I really wonder why nurseries keep selling varieties that are clearly not the original rose
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5 AUG by
jedmar
Because they do not know better, because there have not been genetical comparisons to ascertain the true varieties.
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"Because that's the name the public ask for it by." Jean Ducher, Francis Dubreuil etc etc. Or "Because an overseas expert calls it by that name." Eg. Sanguinea. We keep trying.
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It's very discouraging to start a garden full with Teas and Tea Noisettes and to find out they aren't the original roses. What I don't understand is that when you read the descriptions of the 19th century and early 20th century catalogs and rose books you get a good idea of how a variety should look. Still so many today are obviously imposters. I like the term "in commerce" you guys use so it's almost certain the rose isn't the original. I'm making lists of my fall order at Loubert and I saw the Bride. So exquisitely Tea shaped. She can't be a sport of the Mermet in commerce. The rose world has a lot of Byzantine intrigue. Thx for the reply, Jedmar too
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Here's hoping you get a reversion to the real CM.
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