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Dear Moderators
It appears that this is the same rose that is sold in the UK as Ivory Romantica. Can you please update this description to include the 'also known as' name?
Available by Colin Gregory and also Cottage Memories roses as of Feb 2024.
Many thanks!
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#1 of 1 posted
12 FEB by
 jedmar
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Synonym added, thank you!
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There had been quite a lot of chatter about this rose - just in case those in the UK are interested, it is now available by Peter Beales as an exclusive :)
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#1 of 5 posted
12 DEC by
Lee H.
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I would be sceptical that it is the real 1894 rose. Much more likely to be the "in commerce" version (which is a very good rose in its own right).
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Yes, the consensus I have from other rose folk is that this is *not* the 1894 which was more of a climber and had very little to no scent. However, it is the much loved quasi hybrid perpetual that seems to have taken over the name which still has beautiful tea/china shaped flowers and an amazing scent. Everyone who has grown it, despite its sad foliage attributes, claims it is one of their favourite 'teas' - or in this case a wannabe tea :)
Beales was the main UK introduction and so still an exclusive. Are other members growing the original? If so, can they comment on their experience with the older variety?
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I wouldn't call it a hybrid perpetual, more an older hybrid tea, which it's considered to be, perhaps 'Barcelona' from the 1930's. The foliage was quite good I found, glaucous, if a little sparse. I have lots of photos of it somewhere, I might post some.
I don't think the original is in commerce, perhaps lost..
It's worth growing for the scent and rich dark colour.
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The comments, description and references for "Francis Dubreuil - in commerce as" are worth reading.
Not Francis Dubreuil, not Tea, not Barcelona, sent from Sangerhausen to Beales' nursery.
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I've bought it off them at least twice in the last 20 years or so, once in the presence of Mr Beales himself, so perhaps it's time for another but I'm increasingly tired of wrongly named roses.
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Dear moderators - just a clarification that the rose Glyndebourne is also being sold under the alternate name of "Home Sweet Home" on the Harkness site and on external sites such as Country Garden Roses in the UK.
It is not to be confused with the loud tangerine coloured rose of the same name but by a different breeder.
Cheers!
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#1 of 3 posted
9 MAY 23 by
Lee H.
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I’m sure you meant “…that bold and expressive rose of the same name…” ;-)
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#2 of 3 posted
9 MAY 23 by
jedmar
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Moved your photo to Smith's HSH
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#3 of 3 posted
9 MAY 23 by
jedmar
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Thank you, synonym added!
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Hi HMF community - can someone comment whether this rose (tan081040/20th Anniversary rose) sold by Fryers in the UK is the same as Tantau’s Eisvogel/Kingfisher? Photographs of this rose when compared on both the Tantau and Fryers website are identical but there is no confirmation on either website. Cheers!
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I have grown 'Eisvogel' and it looks like the Fryer rose.. 'Eisvogel' also has the code TAN081040, even though the dates shown are different which is confusing.
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#2 of 2 posted
31 JAN 23 by
jedmar
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'Eisvogel' has the varietal code Tan08104, which is most probably Fryer's Tan081040. We will merge the two listings.
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