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16 NOV 16 by
JM3
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This is no longer for sale in the US, buy I'm willing to pay for a cutting. Does it perform reasonably on its own roots?
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Sometimes sold on Etsy for way overprice.
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3 DEC 23 by
 Lee H.
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I’m beginning to believe that one can make a tidy side hustle with discontinued Austin roses. Same story with Jude the Obscure.
It’s only overpriced if you can’t find willing buyers…
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They seem to be quite the status symbol in some quarters. I wonder if the DA company will not live to regret its' aggressive culling policy.
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lol, I hope you live long enough to see that! They have been culling better roses for poorer roses since their early days, sometimes just to replace a pink rose on the market without patent protection with one that did get patented.
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Ding ding ding. Watch what Star does now that the KO patents will start to wane.
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just for the record and a bit off-topic, can you recommend good older DA cultivars that are worth to grow?
I kinda like their older ones anyway, Summer Song was quite new but stopped - one of my favourites still.
i really don't have a problem with it as long as it's treated like a HT or floribunda, harder pruning etc
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I'm not a DA expert.
For health and abundance, Jude the Obscure is amazing. But she is a BIG plant.
For size and repeat, Jubilee Celebration. Big blooms on normal-size plant, in a nice color.
For classic look, small stature, and health: Geoff Hamilton. But it has low summer repeat. Large Spring/summer flushes, but it is not much for summer bloom.
Most DA are kinda garbo here, because they're big blooms on big plants, prone to being drug into the ground by their own devices + rain.
A good non-DA alternative is Distant Drums, which is bred from a DA. Prairie Sunrise has DA type blooms on a floribunda plant. Some newer alternatives. I am currently testing out the French versions of DA. One called Allegorie and another called Esprit de Paris. I am hoping they are MUCH smaller plants, but with good repeat.
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Oh thanks, i'm definitely gonna check them out! :)
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In the USA, we have found the DA cultivars to be quite climate specific. If you could give us some idea of what your particular climate in Hungary is like, we might have some ideas. That said, you probably could not go wrong with the now venerable 'Mary Rose', not maybe the most dramatic of roses, but among the most dependable. 'Fair Bianca', remember her, is a charming rose on a weak plant. I was fond of 'Symphony', now I believe being called 'Allux Symphony' and 'English Garden', both having modest growth habit, strong stems and good rapid bloom of large, flat many petalled flowers. AS is a nice soft yellow color while EG has a more goldy bronze color and grows about a foot taller than AS.
I think 'Evelyn' is one of the most beautiful of all roses, but is very much a desert rose, which will flourish wherever SDLM can be grown.
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Thank you for the input! Well we're mostly zone7, colder winters than most of the UK (although this winter was mild again, the lowest in my garden was 14F and for a few days only) and hotter summers with drought sometimes with highs between cc 80-107F. Roses Like the weather because of the sun and it's arid, but better to water them weekly if no sufficient rain for a while.
(Austins are very popular here although i never really liked them apart from some personal favourite like Abraham Darby, Othello, i also have the Pilgrim, Judi Dench and Summer Song - the latter 2 are very good performers through the whole summer)
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If GoldenAge is still active here, I'll apologize -- answering their query only nine years later! Our 'Maréchal Niel' came to us from Greg Grant, in Texas. Details of his finding it can be found on pp. 114-115 of the book "The Rose Rustlers" by Greg Grant and William C. Welch. 2017. To summarize, Dr. Bill Welch discovered it in the back garden of a home in Bryan, Texas. Greg sent it to me. We tested it for the viruses causing rose mosaic disease shortly after receiving it, and it was not infected. It has since been tested by PCR and remains free of all known rose viruses.
We graft nearly all of our roses on 'Fortuniana' rootstock, and that's what I did with this rose. The result was easily the most vigorous rose I've ever grown, quickly climbing to the top of a 16 ft (3 meter) structure. The description here says it occasionaly repeats, but for us, it is seldom without at least a few flowers.
It deeply resents pruning, and I have killed a plant of it simply by pruning one back toward the top of an 8-foot (2.44 m) trellis.
While I often chip bud roses, I find this one very difficult to bud -- most of the buds die. However, it is extremely easy to cleft graft, so that's how we propagate it (with leaves, under mist).
I'm posting photos today, of our plants.
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That's a stunner Malcolm.
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Very interesting and looks fabulous on the photos.
Do you have experience with the same clone grafted to a different rootstock, or grown as own root? Would it repeat just as readily that way?
Thank you,
Peter
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It's rare that I get rid of a rose after just one year, but this one is going to have to go.
Supposedly teas are good in warm climates, and in my limited experience this has been true for other teas here, but not Regulus.
Poor vigor, weak, twiggy growth, meh fragrance, but worst of all is the blooms. They open and fry within just a few hours in the sun, and then the fried petals cling on forever if not deadheaded. So the shrub is either an eyesore, or flowerless.
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I'm still observing mine, but i have to agree so far... i have both Regulus and Paul Nabonnand, almost next to each other in big pots. Both look very similar, the growth is unpleasant, twiggy so far, and the flowers don't last long at all. I'd say in the autumn is 2 days maximum - in the summer till 2pm :D (next to them Mmselle Franziska Krüger holds flowers nicely for 4-6 days in 30-35 Celsius...)
AND the leaves... they look very unattractive, rather ugly texture with leaflets dropping off every single day, getting the bushes always half naked. Very strange, don't normally see roses like this.
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