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Ericchn 
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8 JAN 24 by
Mal R
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Listing says zone 7b, but Star Roses website lists Bolero from Meilland as hardy in zones 5-10.
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#1 of 2 posted
8 JAN 24 by
jedmar
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Commercial sites are often very generous about hardiness and limited about height a rose attains. Meilland roses are bred in southern France. For hardiness we try to follow effective usage if possible. In this case we have gardens listed in zones 7a to 11.
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#2 of 2 posted
5 days ago by
Ericchn
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The Bolero rose on star rose website is Meidelweis: starrosesandplants.com/plants/bolero/
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I believe it’s Meidelweis in the photo.
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10 days ago by
Ericchn
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Should be Meiclicel : meilland.com/en/catalogue/purple-perfumella-meiclicel-meilland-jardin-parfum/
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#1 of 7 posted
10 days ago by
jedmar
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It was at Monza as Medicellie. See:
www.airosa.it/concorso/2005/concorso2005.htm
Also:
www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/rose-meicellie.html
The note for Meiclicel says:
Meilland sells MEIclicel as 'Greffe de Vie' as a garden rose, and 'Purple Perfumella' when a cut rose.
Has Meilland changed the varietal name from 2005 to 2008?
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#2 of 7 posted
10 days ago by
Ericchn
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Maybe. I shall try contacting Meilland for clarification.
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#3 of 7 posted
10 days ago by
jedmar
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Can you please also ask about 'Belles Rives'? See this info from 2017:
parfumflowercompany.com/insights/name-change-rose-greffe-de-vie-belles-rives/
We had 'Belles Rives' as a name for MEIzolnil. According to this, it is 'Greffe de Vie' (MEIclicel?)
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#4 of 7 posted
10 days ago by
Ericchn
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I know about this. The trade mark Belles Rives is used both for Meizolnil (for garden) and for Meiclicel (for cut flowers). Similar to the case of Jeanne Moreau, which is used for Meidiaphaz for the garden and Meicalanq for cut flowers.
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#5 of 7 posted
10 days ago by
jedmar
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Thank you for the clarification!
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Hi all,
Meicellie is not a varietal name of any Meilland variety. It might be (again) a mistake of a rose trial. Maybe Monza as it is the only reference to this :
www.airosa.it/concorso/2005/concorso2005.htm
For the other website as reference, it is an amateur photographer that might have taken the name in Monza. See all other pictures, he was in Italy at that time.
www.dreamstime.com/xiaoma-latest-stock-photos?pg=2
The PBR has always be only Meiclicel for this variety.
About trademarks :
GREFFE DE VIE (Grafting life) was a charity operation in France done by MEILLAND RICHARDIER with the family of Gregory Lemarchal which died of cystic fibrosis at 23 years old in April 2007.
As the operation stopped, the variety was slowly taken down from production.
But a second life in Kenya as a cut flower came to be, and they choose the trademark Purple PERFUMELLA®.
After this, in 2018, we were developing the concept of Bal Meilland with the 5* hotel Belles Rives in Antibes, France and choosing Meizolnil to be named BELLES RIVES®, we decided to rename also Meiclicel BELLES RIVES®, as the Bal Meilland was mostly an event of cut flower presentation.
yesicannes.com/fr/bal-meilland-belles-rives-la-vie-en-roses-59335
Hope it is clear
Matthias
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#7 of 7 posted
6 days ago by
jedmar
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Thank you for the clarification. Listings merged.
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The description page for this rose says it is susceptible to blackspot. There is nothing about that in the references, and the only member comment that mentions blackspot indicates that this rose has good resistance.
The member ratings (which admittedly must frequently be taken with a pinch of salt) claim excellent resistance to disease, but obviously without any indication of which disease this relates to.
There is one photo (Photo Id: 288945) which appears to show some "blackspot", but based on a recent conversation with Michael Garhart (https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.288890&tab=32) it looks to me as though that spotting may be caused by Cercospora instead. The grey centres in the spots are a trait of Cercospora, and don't appear with Diplocarpon.
So the question here is: where did the "Susceptible to blackspot" warning come from?
Edit: Found this over on houzz (in the "Guillot Generosa Roses" thread) - "I used to live in Thailand (20 years ago) and now I live in southern Mississippi. We have very high heat and humidity here too. I have 5 plants of Martine Guillot and they are some of my healthiest roses. They do not have problems with blackspot or mildew and I rarely spray."
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#1 of 5 posted
2 NOV 22 by
Ericchn
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Even the website of Guillot Rose declares that Martine Guillot has excellent resistance to blackspots.
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#2 of 5 posted
3 NOV 22 by
jedmar
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Not clear where this came from. Removed.
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3 NOV 22 by
Ericchn
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#4 of 5 posted
8 days ago by
Gdisaz10
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This rose in my warm humid climate is healthy and does not have blackspot. The flowers in the sun do not last long and attract many cetonia that ruin them (Oxythyrea funesta)
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#5 of 5 posted
7 days ago by
Ericchn
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Great to hear your confirmation about the disease resistance.
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