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Pouvez-vous me dire s'il vous plaît, cette rose a-t-elle un parfum ?
Merci..
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#1 of 5 posted
28 FEB by
 jedmar
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Pas de parfum. No fragrance according to the patent description.
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Thank you .. I was hoping for just a little..
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#3 of 5 posted
22 MAR by
Ericchn
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According to the website of Meilland Richardier, the flower has a slight fragrance. I’ll check it out when mine flowers this year.
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#5 of 5 posted
14 SEP by
Ericchn
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Its flower does have a little fragrance (to my nose), just like Eden rose.
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#4 of 5 posted
22 MAR by
Ericchn
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As far as I know, when Meilland fill the patent form, anything less than an obvious fragrance is “no fragrance”, there’s no such thing as “light fragrance”.
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This is one superlative, strongly fragrant old Hybrid Tea. It would not surprise me if it was found that the famous 'Mme. Isaac Pereire' was a parent, or 'Tom Wood'?.. the scent is very similar at its best, and the rich pink fully double blooms have that look about them..
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#1 of 2 posted
5 SEP by
HubertG
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Marlorena, you could be right about 'Tom Wood' being a parent, or at least some similar H.P..
I just came across a reference written by Dr. O'Donel Browne about his namesake rose and (although he doesn't disclose the varieties) he says that he knows that it is a cross between a Hybrid Perpetual and a "pure Tea". He also agrees with you that the perfume is superlative.
I wish we had this one in Australia; I'd probably grow it for the perfume alone.
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Oh that's really interesting to me Hubert, thank you.. I wonder what the 'pure Tea' was.. I wouldn't have guessed that.
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2 SEP by
Nicio
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I went here on 1st September 2024 and there is no Lady Emma Hamilton in the rose garden
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#1 of 4 posted
2 SEP by
jedmar
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Thank you for the update!
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Sorry, having recently re-visited I have found many of the roses have been changed. I am in the process of updating the list
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The complete list has been updated as I went there on August 31st and all those that are no longer there having been removed and the new ones add. There is also that I could not find the name for.
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Clearly 'Munstead Wood'.. especially seeing as most of their roses are Austin's.
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I'm reporting that in Australia this rose was named for a famous racehorse [see Knight's reference], who sadly died this morning, 17 Aug '24, at 18 years old after giving birth, due to laminitis - a hoof infection.
Black Caviar the horse won 25 races, never beaten, and 15 at the top level. A sprinter, she also came over to England and won at Royal Ascot. She was officially the world's best racehorse in 2013.
Personally, the German name of this rose doesn't mean a lot to me, but the Australian name does, and I think if I lived in Australia, and from the horse racing community, I would expect to have this rose in my collection. I wonder if Australian vendors of this rose might see a renewed interest in sales, especially in the NSW area.
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#1 of 5 posted
17 AUG by
HubertG
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That's sad news, Marlorena. Maybe the rose will have a resurgence in sales but I still see 'Black Caviar' regularly in nurseries. 'Winx' is another rose named after a champion Australian Thoroughbred that I also see a fair bit of. It seems that Aussies like their roses named after racehorses.
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See Evothia's comment from 2014. The horse was class: the rose, according to her, wasn't.
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#3 of 5 posted
17 AUG by
HubertG
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Despite whatever faults it might have I'm very fond of this rose and wouldn't want to be without it. Evothia doesn't like the fragrance but I think it's wonderful.
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I'm glad to hear it's still sold in nurseries. Perhaps it would perform better in the salubrious climate of Perth..
Both Black Caviar and Winx deserved the best in roses.
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#5 of 5 posted
18 AUG by
HubertG
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My only real gripe with 'Black Caviar' in my climate is that the hot sun can damage the petals, but this is common with lots of dark red roses, so I think it would fare much the same in Perth as in Sydney. I don't spray and it can also get a little black spot, but nothing to its real detriment. Generally it's quite healthy. I tend to prune mine hard and it branches well. I don't see the terribly long shoots some people here have mentioned. It starts flowering early and keeps going well into winter here in Sydney. Overall, a very satisfying rose.
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