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Initial post 4 APR 11 by Andrea Georgia
Interestingly, my 4 year old grafted Jude the Obscure (purchased from David Austin, and grafted on multiflora, I think) looks like it may not have survived our winter here in Cambridge, England - the past two winters were a bit colder than usual, but it's still hardiness zone 8! Jude is the only of my many David Austin roses that died, none of my other Austins have shown any setback. (However, there are two other two winter casualties in my garden: the Italian hybrid tea Stile 800 (Barni) and a the French hybrid tea Liv Tyler (Meilland)). Overall, I have to say that the Jude the Obscure I grew in North Carolina (purchased from DA in Tyler TX, grafted on Dr Huey) was a lot happier than the one I had here, a bigger plant and more prolific bloomer - and we had some cold winters in North Carolina too, with night temps dipping down to -10 C, but less frost in daytime. However, I think that Jude's superb grapefruit perfume and lovely flowers make it a very worthy rose for a warm and dry climate.

Andrea Georgia
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 12 DEC 11 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thank you, Andrea, for the info. Here in zone 5a I don't see Jude blooming at the rose park in cool spring nor in the fall (Abraham Darby sure did !!). Jude only blooms in the hottest months July to September. Jude's upper branches are low in thorns. The beauty of the bloom is exquisite with geometric circles and refreshing yellow color. The scent is delicious like the most yummy tropical dessert.

Two of my own-root Jude the Obscure died through my zone 5a winter. Jude as grafted on Dr. Huey survived only 2 years at the rose park nearby. I got Jude as own-root again this year, but will winterize in my garage in the winter.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 6 AUG 15 by boopie
This helps so much! I live in zone 10, in So. Ca. I want a big bush to put on a display in the summer months. This rose according to Austin, will also handle some shade. So as hard as it can be to find a rose to do everything. I believe I have found a winner for a particular spot in my garden.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 11 AUG 15 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Jude does better as grafted-on-Dr.Huey, esp. for alkaline clay. I grew 2 Judes as own-roots in my alkaline clay, Jude hated that. But Jude improved when I fixed my heavy clay with coarse sand, which fluffs up clay forever. In contrast, organics (peat moss, compost, alfalfa, leaves, wood chips) would de-compose and glue-up with clay to choke out wimpy own-roots like Jude. I tried everything (including perlite, gypsum, alfalfa hay) to fix my high-magnesium heavy clay, and coarse sand is still the best. I dug up spots in my garden where I fixed heavy clay with coarse sand, and 15 years later, it's still fluffly. I planted 5 white-pine-trees, one tree fixed with coarse sand is over 30 feet tall & dark green a decade later. Two trees in heavy clay died, the others became chlorotic (pale & yellowish). When the soil is made fluffy with coarse sand, leaves are dark-green, and roots can go deeper. Folks use coarse sand to root roses. NOTE: there are many different types of clay, thus different ways to fix them, my clay is dolomitic (high in magnesium & calcium), and I'm next to limestone quarry.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 14 SEP 16 by Lavenderlace
I have Jude growing in both alkaline clay and sandy soil and he definitely likes the coarse sand better here also (Z8). The first year plants in sandy soil are at least a foot taller and covered in apricot roses versus the occasional pale yellow rose in clay.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 14 SEP 16 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thank you for the info., much appreciated !!
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 15 SEP 16 by Lavenderlace
And thank you to your advice about the coarse sand! I added some to my areas with more clay to match my more naturally sandy areas, and what a difference it's making.
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Initial post 4 MAR 11 by Andrea Georgia
I don't think this rose exists: no Aus-registration name, and I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, not in (Austin's) catalogues, nor in any books, forums/fori, nurseries. The name also does not sound like one Austin would choose, it's very unelegant. Do you mean Chianti perhaps (1967)?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 MAR 11 by RoseBlush
Thank you for bringing this rose to our attention. I found a reference in Modern Roses 12 and added to the REFERENCES. I doubt if this rose was re-named as 'Chianti' as it is reported to be a low growing floribunda that blooms in large clusters, which is different than 'Chianti's growth habit.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 5 JUN 12 by redwood rose
It is listed in Antique Rose Emporium's Catalog, and it is available now.
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most recent 6 APR 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 APR 11 by Andrea Georgia
This is a very beautiful, vigorous and very tall hybrid tea. Its flowers last a long time, but they can be subject to balling in wet/humid weather. Unfortunately, mine has not survived our second colder than usual winter here in Cambridge, England, hardiness zone 8. This is still a bit of a surprise to me, given that the winter was still within the z 8 parameters. I had purchased the plant directly from Barni Roses in Italy (they've sent me the biggest bareroot roses, I've ever seen, grafted on Dr Huey, I think), and I've had it for 3 years. The other HTs of this series I purchased from Barni seemed to have made it through the winter.

Andrea Georgia
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 4 APR 11 by HMF Admin
Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 5 APR 11 by Jay-Jay
The description of this rose on HMF lacks height, width and other parameters, like the size of the flowers.
Would You, or someone else that is growing this rose, be so kind and update the info?
Thank You.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 6 APR 11 by AndreaFranzius
Whilst I don't tend to go around my garden putting a tape measure to my roses, or to any other plants or animals for that matter, I think it's fair to say that the Barni estimate of 110 cm height, also given here on the HMF site, is a bit conservative, at least for our mild southeast England climate. With good feeding, the plant can reach up to at least 5 ft/150 cm, bloom size is large but of course also variable, around 10-12 cm perhaps. Habit is very HT-like, stiff upright and narrow, best situated at back of border.

Hope this helps,

Andrea
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most recent 5 APR 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 5 APR 11 by Andrea Georgia
This is the first time I've ordered from Rosenschule Stange, and while it may be a bit early to pass a final judgement, the plants they sent me (to England) appear to be of excellent quality and are so far taking on without a hitch.

I also really like their selection which is not only large, but also characterized by an unusually brilliant and tasteful, well distributed mix of classic, rare, really fancy and more common (and yet great) Old Garden Roses/ antique Roses, modern HTs and Floribundas, and of course English and Romantic roses and shrubs. I was able to order roses from them I could not get anywhere else, and although my order came very late in the season (late March), all the plants they sent me are big and robust.

I also saw that they offer a customized budding/grafting service of your favourite unknown roadside/neighbour's rose: send them some cuttings and next year they'll send you that grafted rose, how cool is that!

Everything is excellent so far.

Andrea Georgia
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 APR 11 by Jay-Jay
You can see them at work at:http://www.gartenfernsehen.de/filme/rosen-veredeln-teil-1
Part 2 is as interesting!
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