HELPMEFIND PLANTS COMMERCIAL NON-COMMERCIAL RESOURCES EVENTS PEOPLE RATINGS
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8 days ago by
MalinH
Not Mme Alfred Carrière
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#1 of 14 posted
8 days ago by
Nastarana
Out of curiosity,, how do you know? What characteristics are you looking at to make your determination?
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#3 of 14 posted
8 days ago by
jedmar
I agree too with MalinH. See the two photos I just posted: - Mme AC has not very densely packed blooms, with petals which are more elongated - The buds are ovoid pointed, not rounded
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#5 of 14 posted
7 days ago by
Nastarana
Thank you. I think I am seeing the difference, especially in the buds.
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#2 of 14 posted
8 days ago by
Jay-Jay
I tend to agree on this. The photo John took earlier is the real-one. You might compare Yourselves Nastarana. Rose photo courtesy of Johno Anglesey Abbey Gardens, UK, 23/6/23. Uploaded 22 JUL 23 www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.413376
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It would be interesting to know whether the rose photographed repeat-flowers, which Johno isn't in a position to tell us.
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Looks like Félicité et Perpétue
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That was my kneejerk reaction too!
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Great minds Margaret!
The buds look like my 'White Pet', which of course, is a sport of Félicité et Perpétue.
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#9 of 14 posted
6 days ago by
MalinH
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#10 of 14 posted
5 days ago by
Johno
I am happy to remove the offending photos. The label was nailed to the post so I would assume the garden was sold an incorrect plant to begin with. I have to admit, I am finding it hard to identify the difference.
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It's easy if you've grown MME. Alfred. She's quite different.
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#12 of 14 posted
5 days ago by
Jay-Jay
Hi Johno Photo wasn't experienced as offending by me. Maybe someone mixed up the labels. And I agree with Robert Neil Rippetoe: Once growing this rose, You'll never confuse another rose for it.
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#13 of 14 posted
3 days ago by
MalinH
There are four more photos that you need to remove. Not Mme Alfred Carriere of none of your pictures.
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#14 of 14 posted
yesterday by
Johno
Removed three. The system does not allow a large number of deletes at the one time.
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Hi, does anybody grow this rose in part shade? The area beside my front door I'd like to plant a climber in gets about 4-6 hrs morning sun, depending on whether it's winter or summer. I'm in 10a, bay area California where it hits 100F maybe 5 days per year. Thank you!
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#1 of 5 posted
15 NOV by
Jay-Jay
Hi, I grow it in partial shade, doesn't thrive there and does not behave as a climber at that spot. Abraham Darby copes better with partial shade.
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Yes, Abraham Darby tolerates some shade.
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#3 of 5 posted
15 NOV by
SDShine
Thank you both for the speedy replies! I'm headed down to Regan in a bit and they've also got James Galway. Do either of you have experience with this rose in shade? Thanks again.
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I have no experience with Galway.
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#5 of 5 posted
16 NOV by
Jay-Jay
Sorry, no experience with Galway either.
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Can anyone recommend labels that can be hung on the rose bush, that aren't too expensive, but will last a couple years at least? In our park, we have lots of roses that have labels that have fallen off, moved around. We will eventually get them all big permanent labels, but would like to keep their ID with them in the meantime. I have had bad luck in my own garden with labels losing their writing and haven't come across the best method - metal, plastic, pen, pencil?
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#1 of 14 posted
13 SEP 15 by
styrax
Pencil on any sturdy, UV resistant, light-colored surface.
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This is a popular topic and there are many solutions including using recycled materials.
You can buy plastic labels with a hole punched in them or punch them yourself but plastic can degrade in a few seasons or less.
Tyvek labels are better and can last for several years, or more.
I have found nothing for labeling that outlasts a plain old fashioned #2 pencil, as long as reasonable pressure is applied when writing on a clean label. They stay legible for years.
Some people prefer a marking pen designed for china and ceramics. I see no need to go to the additional expense. I do thousands of labels per year.
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#3 of 14 posted
13 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
I use the sipes of old aluminium horizontal blinds (Luxaflex) and cut the aluminium in rectangular shapes, get the corners a bit rounded and drill (or punch) a hole in them. Use a small engraving/etching machine (Dremel) to write and hang them up with single core wire. Cheap and very durable!
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For a public garden I favour no labels at all. Vandals move them or they get stolen. Instead I favour a cheap photocopied map that could be printed off in small quantities as required. These small quantities would allow for changes to be made when required – and raise a dollar or two – and save on label costs. It would also allow people to take home the rose names to later seek out plants.
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#5 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
I have wondered about that. Our garden does have vandals. We could try that first, since we need to create a map anyway.
One other reason we wanted to have labels is so we know which roses are winter-pruned. Our old roses are somewhat mingled with the hybrid teas. Was thinking of marking the old roses with a color tag. Of course, the map helps here, too.
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I have just added an example of one of my garden bed maps. Go into Patricia Routley / Member Garden / Photos .....It is a reflection on paper of what is in the bed. The very next rose you come to, goes on the very next line. This map contains, in this order, a number that a foundling will use for the rest of its life (when the identity can change!); the name; class (which will guide you on pruning); the seed parent & date; the pollen parent & date; breeder; country; bred date; provenance (see Katie Pianto's rose for three previous owners); what rootstock if any; the date I planted it; and its location in my garden. On the bottom right is a mini map cutout showing where in my five acre garden this bed is. See also the other photo of the whole garden map. Despite being in page protectors, these garden bed maps get pretty filthy as I take them out into the garden often. They also get covered with my scribble - there are always things to update and note and I seem to have to re-print them once a year. Of all the books on my bookshelves, my garden records book is the most valuable of all.
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#8 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
You've fit quite a lot on that map! I definitely will start thinking about maps. Many times visitors want to know the name of a rose so they can buy one. And I do worry about kids moving labels around. The map does double duty - can't be moved, can be taken home. Thanks!
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#6 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
That does look good. Not sure where to find the old blinds. Can you also write with pencil? Your photos look like they were written with pencil.
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#9 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Pencil might suffice, but what You see is not written by a pencil, but it is the bare aluminium, for the original paint is grinded/cut away with the (small) multi-tool. The labels are very durable.
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#10 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
ok, I see the metal now. And what did you use to punch the hole? Or did you drill it?
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#11 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Sometimes I drilled them with a metal drill, then You can drill a lot at once, but You can also punch holes in them with a centre-point. (used for punching an indentation in the metal or stone, at the location, that you want to drill a hole, so the drill doesn't slip/slide away) See: https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/centerpunt Sometimes , when I want a very nice result, I use only a countersink
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#12 of 14 posted
15 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
I found some mini-blinds at local thriftstore and made some sample tags to show my fellow public garden volunteers. Our paper hole punch was able to easily punch a hole.
I will be putting all of our roses in excel as our "database". We have a Brother label maker, so we can print more info on the label, including a QR code to HelpMeFind.
Does anyone have experience with stick-on labels? Are some brands fairly durable? We are going to try Brother Continuous Film label tape DK2211 for starters. One of the reviewers said it worked well outdoors, but Brother makes no claims.
I'm thinking of 1) scratching one side with name and 2) printing (with more info) a label for the other side.
A couple of my fellow gardeners don't like hanging labels because people prune them off and then they are lost. But it seems to me to be more of a problem for those little round metal labels than something big. Anyone have experience in whether these larger labels work better? We have inexperienced people help us with pruning sometimes.
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#13 of 14 posted
16 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Looking good => even improved! I never pruned these labels away, but when the cane dies, it can easily be hung back on another newer cane, for the single core wire can be used over and over again
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Greetings from the great Pacific Northwest, Lakewood, Washington (8b)! I was considering the brother label printing method you employed here as well and was wondering how they are holding up in the weather? Have you noticed if the ink bleeds or the adhesive doesn't stand up to the elements?
Thanks so much!
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Might this rose be offspring of Thérèse Bugnet?
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