HELPMEFIND PLANTS COMMERCIAL NON-COMMERCIAL RESOURCES EVENTS PEOPLE RATINGS
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Jay-Jay 
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20 MAR 15 by
moriah
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If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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#3 of 13 posted
10 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah
Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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Hi Jay-Jay. Just came across these comments in relation to Rose de Rescht. We have one here going into it's third season, own root, and I've just noticed there are five small new shoots about 20cm tall growing about 20-30cm from the plant. All are covered in leaflets. Are you saying these would be defined as suckers as for me they are new shoots from the root of the cultivar? I plan to carefully dig them out and plant them around the garden. One of our favourite roses here, flowers almost continually from late May until December. Cheers
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#13 of 13 posted
yesterday by
Jay-Jay
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Do You have photo's?
At my place, at first the suckers appeared at that distance too, later on at 50cm.
It doesn't go berserk as for suckering.
I would suggest let them grow this season and dig them up in Fall. Than plant them at new places...
Or dig them up now, prune off 1/3 and pot them. Plant in Fall or Spring next year.
Good luck, Bonne Chance!
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#6 of 13 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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#7 of 13 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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#8 of 13 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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#9 of 13 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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#11 of 13 posted
25 JAN 24 by
Nastarana
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'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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Mermaid does not have red or burgundy stamens. This rose appears to be 'Golden Wings'; regardless of whatever label may state.
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#1 of 3 posted
17 DEC 22 by
Jay-Jay
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You mean stamens, I believe. I agree, this can't be Mermaid...
And it is definitely not Meermaid with double ee from Geschwind too.
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Yes sir, my apologies.
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Posts like this demonstrate the advantage of a mutable resource like HMF.
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This seems an unusual colour for Aloha. Has it had more typical blooms in the past?
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#1 of 8 posted
26 JUN 23 by
Lee H.
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Maybe more like one of its sports, Lady Ashe or Dixieland Linda.
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#2 of 8 posted
26 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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I would say none of the three mentioned roses. Bloom-form doesn't match.
I would suggest a mix-up.
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Maybe its the 2nd McGredy variant.
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HMF has "Dixieland Linda" and "Lady Ashe" as two names for the same rose. Are there in fact two sports in commerce?
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#5 of 8 posted
18 FEB by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe Huyustus can shine his light on this?
The photo reminded me a lot of Mainzer Fastnacht also known as Blue Moon... or Sissi.
Under the last name Huyustus posted a month earlier some photo's on HMF.
Only the date is stated, not where the photo was taken.
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McGredy had a mauve called 'Aloha', but because it doesn't have a public photo, and we are not sure if it went anywhere commercially, its a real long shot.
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It would fit the colour of the photo in question, though.
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#6 of 8 posted
19 FEB by
jedmar
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The name 'Lady Ashe' was added in 2012 as a synonym used by Greenheart Farms.
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22 OCT 17 by
NikosR
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Is Albertine self cleaning or does it hold on its wasted blooms for the rest of the year? This is important to know for rampant ramblers like this if one does not feel deadheading a large rambler under the heat is an enjoyable passtime.
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The 2011 reference says:
" Later the bloom dies most ungracefully and hangs on to its dead petals. Not in a spreading way, but losing all oomph in the petal and just collapsing to hang like a wet dishcloth in the middle of the pretty cluster."
Nevertheless, I would not be without it.
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#6 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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On this part (Albertine is a triploid and sets no hips) of what You wrote in that article, I have to respectfully disagree as for setting hips... for it sets quite a few hips. See attached photo's I made today. Sorry for the less sharp photo's, for the light-conditions were bad and I didn't have a steady stand and or hand.
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That is so interesting Jay-Jay. You certainly have many hips there.
I've double checked where that information came from and it was G. D. Rowley, writing in the 1960 American Rose Annual, page 110 on Triploid Garden Roses. Among the other Wichuraiana roses he mentioned in the article were 'American Pillar', Dr. W. van Fleet', 'New Dawn', 'Albertine' and 'Emily Gray'.
I actually do have a photo of a miserable hip or two on 'American Pillar' and will add that to its file.
Perhaps it may be that a hip may not signify fertility? But I will be watching my 'Albertine' for hips this year.
Patricia
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#8 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe it needs our weather?
On the other hand, this year was exceptionally sunny and dry over here.
I'll harvest the hips and sow some seeds.
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#10 of 11 posted
26 OCT 17 by
NikosR
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Being triploid discourages seed fertility, not necessarily hip setting. Hip setting is very much affected by the existence of well developed reproductive organs on the flower.
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#2 of 11 posted
23 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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The dead flowers hang for a while, but after a while, when the hips swell, the petals disappear. But maybe that was due to a lot of rain and wind.
Will observe this next year.
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If you blast the bush with a leaf blower it will remove a lot of the dead flowers. This also works quite well for Camellias.
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Interesting thought. Someone advised me to deadhead a "ground-cover" rose with a golf-club.
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#5 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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I can frequently be seen beating my monstrous Christine Helene with a long stick. I don't know what the neighbours think, and I don't actually care - by this I get rid of all the wilted petals without deadheading. And Christine Helene has hundreds of blooms. While hips form on the beaten part, she makes new trusses on new canes. So that's my low-tech recommendation, beat it with a stick. Love the golf club tip as well.
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I would have never thought about this tip (and the leaf blower) as a way to deal with dead flower petals as an alternative to deadheading a massive prickly shrub. I've avoided getting some of the larger gorgeous roses, because of the deadheading task, so Thank you!
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