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matrice 
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I have room to plant one more rose this winter and I am strongly considering Fragrant Cloud for it's perfume. Could anyone tell me how this rose would grow in Adelaide, South Australia and what are the dimensions I could reasonably expect it to get to. It would be in full sun for 8 hours minimum.
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#1 of 9 posted
7 APR 12 by
Jay-Jay
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At least in the Dutch climate they do not thrive at a lot of places and get Blackspot very badly.
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I've heard/read the same information as Jay Jay regarding 'Fragrant Cloud'. I've thought about growing it but have not so far because I dread dealing with BS in my hot humid climate.
Matrice: I noticed that you list south Australia as your growing region. If your climate is generally drier than most and fairly warm/hot then BS might not even be an issue for you. If not- go for it! Some consider the fragrance payoff worth the effort of a little extra care.
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#3 of 9 posted
7 APR 12 by
Jay-Jay
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As for fragrance, I would recommend Erotika, if it can stand Your climate or even Étoile de Hollande; both red and large flowered.
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The very dark reds (eg Etoile de Hollande, Papa Meilland, rose sold as Francis Dubreuil, Crimson Glory among the older Hybrid Teas) need afternoon shade in Adelaide's summer; otherwise the petals burn. Fragrant Cloud might be better for where you plan to plant it, although I personally prefer the colour of the dark reds. I haven't grown Fragrant Cloud.
The Rose Society show will be held at the Burnside Town Hall on April 20-21; you could ask experts there, bearing in mind that a rose which looks good on the show bench isn't necessarily a good garden rose. One of the show classes allows the public to choose their favourite scent.
Or try wandering around Thomas for Roses' display garden (Woodside), and have a look at the modern Aus-breds at Ross Roses (Willunga).
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Margaret, what is the situation with Thomas for Roses nursery. Is it surviving, with good prospects for the future?
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Glenyse is 70, Hubert is older, and last I heard their son doesn't want to take on the business. Among the dwindling numbers of heritage-rose nurseries in Australia, they stand out as having a wide range of pre-1940 HTs.
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#7 of 9 posted
11 APR 12 by
kona
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I've grown Fragrant Cloud in coastal NJ, HI, Fla and Ga...all very humid and hot. I've only sprayed a few times. For me, FC gets moderate blackspot after a couple damp rainy days, other wise just a little, which doesn't bother me. Last year it lost about 1/4 of leaves with BS in the summer humidity. FC sits directly infront of the sprinkler head for a daily AM spray but dries in full sun. FC is sprawling/ awkward in habit, but is very floriforous. I prefer Tropicana for habit if packed into a garden and bought 3 more. Here, Tropicana looks similar, smells better/stronger, and booms are much more rain/sprinkler tolorant. Heavy feeding greatly helps with disease resistance in my garden. 2 years ago I pulled out 38 HTs but kept these 2, Pink Peace,and Double Delight because they did so well without spray. I don't want to spray--too many hummers and bees.
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Different climate... Climate change and La Nina aside, rain is rare in Adelaide's summer, and sprinkler watering was banned in the last drought, as being too inefficient a use of a precious resource. Not good for the leaves either if the water is mineral-laden (eg from a bore). Young roses, heavily mulched, would be watered deeply once a week, preferably by a dripper system; in the second summer, watering would be fortnightly. Established roses can get by with monthly watering. But alas we have no way of attracting humming birds!
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#9 of 9 posted
1 MAY 12 by
kona
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A dry climate is all the more reason to grow Fragrant Cloud or Tropicana (SuperStar). I have minor issues with well irrigation on the foliage....that's how they're field-grown and these are tough HT roses for the garden. They've been around a long time and are very inexpensive roses to give a try. A word of caution on the David Austin's though---they LOVE and NEED water and may not be a good choice for drought restrictions. We are going on water restrictions again here. Drip systems are nice if you have only roses, but they don't hit the rest of the garden. Wish you had Hummers.....neat little birds. They 'll buzz you if you are tardy filling the feeders.
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Will Margaret Merril grow well in full sun in Adelaide, South Australia and is it true about it having a wonderful and powerful perfume?
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Yes, and many people think very highly of it. But I ended up taking it out, because I'm not good at getting around to dead-heading, and the flowers look daggy as they age. (Adelaide Hills).
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Margaret Merrill grew beautifully in full, hot sun in Newhall, Ca without any shade. Perhaps this might give you a comparison to your climate. http://www.bestplaces.net/climate/zip-code/california/newhall/91321
The plant withstood the aridity and high heat with very frequent, hard winds, without issue. The flowers do have a powerful scent which is very pleasing and they do age badly, but the foliage and plant were well worth any down-sides.
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#3 of 4 posted
30 MAR 12 by
Jay-Jay
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In my climate (The Netherlands), I never had to deadhead, for the flowerpetals fell off nicely. No daggy looking flowers. Not in the rain nor in dry and hot periods.
Excellent plant and very nice flower! With beautifull eyelashes(stamens). A little like Jacqueline du Pré.
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#4 of 4 posted
31 MAR 12 by
matrice
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Thank you all for your information. I think I'll give Margaret Merril a go.
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I have this rose in Adelaide, South Australia and it is never without blooms during the season. The blooms are beautiful although yellow is not a colour I much like. As for perfume, it never has any.
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Hello everyone. I'm relatively new to roses and I would like to plant Spirit Of Peace at the front of my east facing house, along the fence. I live in Adelaide, South Australia and would like to know what would go well with Spirit Of Peace as I have room for about 6, Spirit Of Peace type bushes. I have a Spirit Of Peace in the back yard and it grows well and we think the colour will go great with our new fence and the colour of our house. The new plantings will get at least 8 hours of sunlight.
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The Adelaide plains are zone 10a. I know too little about modern roses to suggest any, but you might like to try Sunlit - Aus-bred from 1937 (same breeder as Lorraine Lee and Blackboy), similar colouring to Spirit of Peace, outstanding bloom output. Thomas for Roses at Woodside or Ross Roses at Willunga have it. Rosses have modern Aus-breds which might interest you.
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Are specifically looking at only shrub options? If you want to consider a climber, both Reve D'Or and Crepuscule are apricot/gold heirlooms that would likely flourish in your zone. Austin's good ol' Abraham Darby is also a modern apricot blend that would seem to fit the bill.
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#3 of 3 posted
27 MAR 12 by
matrice
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Thank you all for your guidance and I will definitely look into your recommendations.
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