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PhotoSidonie (damask perpetual, Vibert, by 1847) most recent 15 MAY 18 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 14 MAY 18 by sallees32

Hello, is this variety available in Australia? Thanks, Sally	REPLY

Reply #1 of 6 posted 14 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton

Have you contacted Mistydowns? They sold the rose in the past and might be able to grow one for you. 2301 Midland Hwy Creswick, Victoria 3363 Australia 03 5345 2847	REPLY

Reply #2 of 6 posted 14 MAY 18 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Mistydowns is under new ownership and currently offers a vastly reduced range, but we hope they still have the stock plants. if you don't have any joy with Mistydowns, I think it would be worth asking Ross Roses to bud it for you, if they have a stock plant.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 6 posted 14 MAY 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

If that is not successful, ask the Heritage Roses in Australia (South Australian region) if they can find Wendy Langton for you. She grew it in Tasmania and although moved back to South Australia I believe, there is the possibility she still grows it. She wrote of it in the Heritage Roses in Australia journal 30-3-8.

Then Steve Beck of the NSW nursery Roses and Friends wrote in the Heritage Roses in Australia journal 39-3-48, a paragraph on Sidonie and supplied the photo of it for the back cover. He is sure to have it. (Tell him he should update his list of roses for sale on HelpMeFind!)

Reply #5 of 6 posted 15 MAY 18 by sallees32

Thanks, I’ve made many calls today, with little real results. I will keep trying..	REPLY

Reply #4 of 6 posted 15 MAY 18 by petals and buds

Hi Sally, Yes the above answers to your question are correct. Sidonea rose may be able to be obtained from : Ross Roses, Mistydowns ('The Garden Trough' new name) or Thomas For Roses. All of these nurseries have various old rose varieties, altering their lists from year to year, but they may be able to grow it for you via an order using their bud-wood. Good luck. - Sarah	REPLY

Reply #6 of 6 posted 15 MAY 18 by sallees32

I haven’t tried Ross Roses yet, so will give them a call. I’ve spoken to some very helpful people. One gentleman has one plant growing in his garden and he has offered to send me a cutting so that might be my only option. Thanks again, the responses have been so helpful. Sally	REPLY

PhotoPanachée de Lyon most recent 23 NOV 16 SHOW ALL

Initial post 1 JUL 16 by HMF supporting member

AquaEyes

I grow 'Rose du Roi -- original', which was propagated by Vintage Gardens as a reversion from 'Panachee de Lyon'. The rose in this picture has different foliage from my plant, and it and the bloom form more closely resemble that of my 'Honorine de Brabant' and 'Ferdinand Pichard'. Based on the pic, I'd guess that the rose here is actually the rose going under the names 'Belle Doria', 'Commandant Beaurepaire', and 'Panachee d'Angers'. The last name may be the origin of the error.

:-)

~Christopher

Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 NOV 16 by petals and buds

I believe this rose to be correctly labelled, I bought it from a reliable source. I have Honorine de Brabant and the rose are more cupped form and the bush is huge, the wrong size for this Portland rose. Commandant Beaurepaire (which I also have in my garden) is also a huge rose bush, the flowers are not at all similar. They are both very large vigorous Bourbon bushes with completely dissimilar striped flowers. Bourbon roses are not at all similar in bush form to Portlands which are generally shorter in stature and less vigorous.

Thanks for your interest.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 NOV 16 by HMF supporting member

AquaEyes

While my guesses as to its correct identity may not be accurate, your plant seems so dissimilar to the rose I grow, which is its sport-parent -- and more specifically in my case, a reversion of 'Panachee de Lyon'. Please compare your pics of buds to those of 'Rose du Roi' and note the different shape of yours (i.e. more pointed) and that it lacks the degree of glandular projections.

:-)

~Christopher

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.174185

PhotoPanachée de Lyon most recent 23 NOV 16 SHOW ALL

Initial post 1 JUL 16 by HMF supporting member

AquaEyes

Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 NOV 16 by petals and buds

I believe this rose to be correctly labelled, I bought it from a reliable source. I have Honorine de Brabant and the rose are more cupped form and the bush is huge, the wrong size for this Portland rose. Commandant Beaurepaire which I also have is also a huge rose bush, the flowers are not at all similar. They are both very large vigorous Bourbon bushes with completely dissimilar striped flowers. Bourbon roses are not at all similar in bush form to Portlands which are generally shorter in stature and less vigourous.

Thanks for your interest.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 NOV 16 by HMF supporting member

AquaEyes

Well, here's another test -- the true 'Rose du Roi' and its sports share a feature. Look around for buds with six sepals, as seen in the pic below. Somewhere I have a pic of my plant showing this, but for expediency, this should suffice. :-) http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.174183	REPLY

PhotoPetals and Buds Rose Garden most recent 21 SEP 12 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 21 SEP 12 by petals and buds

Beautiful views across the garden in high spring in November.	REPLY