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RoseTrue Perfume most recent 12 days ago SHOW ALL

Initial post 22 OCT 22 by Anita silicon valley

True Perfume is on ARS magazine Sept/Oct 2022 P. 91 & 92: Julia Child X unnamed fragrant seedling It won the ARC best shrub award at the international rose trails at the American Rose Center. It is supposed to be 3 feet wide and tall. www.rose.org/single-post/american-rose-center-international-rose-trials	REPLY

Reply #1 of 3 posted 22 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 MAY by Benaminh

Reply #3 of 3 posted 12 days ago by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Foliage, stems, leaflets, and other attributes have similarities to Flying Kiss, and the coloration of TP has some of its tonation. I wouldn't be surprised if it was that or another similar relation to Ebb Tide.

Altman seems harder to track and less likely to share info than Bailey was, which is a real bummer.

Edit, maybe not Flying Kiss:

1. Flowers of the new variety are darker pink than flowers of the pollen parent.
2. The new variety has a weaker flower fragrance than the pollen parent.
3. Plants of the new variety are more compact than plants of the pollen parent.

I assumed the other parent was larger than Julia Child. JC is often used by breeders because it can shorten stem length by a large margin. However, doesn't quite match the description. The unusual powder pink tone had to come from somewhere unique.

RoseAM668-I most recent 4 FEB SHOW ALL

Initial post 6 OCT 22 by Alain Meilland

Reply #1 of 15 posted 6 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #2 of 15 posted 22 MAR 23 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #3 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

Reply #4 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #5 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #6 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #7 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #8 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Alain Meilland

hello HMF,

Using the same picture doesn't mean it is the same variety. Couple of example :

1) A close up picture of Baipeace can be use for Baipeacesar (climbing mutation, but flower is similare)

2) Another was the mistake by Barni of using the picture of ARTHUR RIMBAUD® Meihylvol for their variety 'Serenata' (no varietal name).

But I confirm that Meicatess is now sold in US by Menagerie Farm & Flower under the trademark 'Loves Me, Loves Me Not™'

Matthias

Reply #9 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #10 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #11 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

Reply #12 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

'Meicatess' is listed in the details section on Menagerie Farm & Flower Loves Me, Loves Me Not™ page. I should have included that information earlier. Sorry about that. For some reason, HMF will not allow me to add a direct link to that webpage.	REPLY

Reply #13 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #14 of 15 posted 12 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Ericchn

Reply #15 of 15 posted 4 FEB by Benaminh

New for my region in 2024. Label from local nursery in Northern California.	REPLY

RoseIn Love Again most recent 29 DEC HIDE POSTS

Initial post 27 DEC by Benaminh

Not too sure about this one — terrible marketing picture. ‘All My Loving’ is one of my favorite newer introductions and I’m not a fan of pink! It is a huge improvement over Maria Callas (aka Miss All American Beauty). On the other hand, every time I’ve seen ‘Drop Dead Red’ in the nursery or municipal rose garden my reaction is “Meh.” AML is a good garden plant, so I can see why it’s used as pod parent, but why on earth was ugly flowered DDR chosen as pollen parent? Lasting Love or Firefighter would have made more sense. I’m keeping an open mind about this one, but will not purchase until I’ve seen it grow and bloom first in someone else’s garden.

Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 DEC by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Perhaps for the healthy foliage and brightness of the color. I agree, DDR is not a rose I would buy, but I would like to see that foliage with a pretty flower.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 DEC by Benaminh

Crimson Bouquet or Peak Performance would have been better than DDR for foliage & color. Who knows, maybe they did attempt those crosses but nothing good resulted. In the last 2-3 years the latest releases from Weeks Roses have been humdrum, I guess that’s what happens when they fired their in house hybridizer Bedard. The same lackluster introductions are at David Austin too after Senior died. I get that everyone wants easier to grow plants, but sacrificing beauty & charm is not going to sell roses. They’re all starting to look like landscaping shrubs at industrial office parks.

Reply #3 of 4 posted 28 DEC by HMF supporting member

Robert Neil Rippetoe

Ben, you should be breeding roses if you're not already.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 DEC by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

I didn't know about Bedard leaving Weeks. Has he gone elsewhere in the rose business?

I don't understand rose economics anymore. Seeing the prices DA's "superseded" roses are selling for on Ebay, you would think nurseries might simply propagate the OOC cultivars and not sign on with the DA company at all.

I am also curious about what is in the contracts with the Kordes company. Do nurseries who want to offer the latest from that company have to agree to sell nothing but Kordes roses?

RoseCherries & Champagne ® most recent 8 DEC HIDE POSTS

Initial post 6 DEC by Benaminh

…But is it any better than Flaming Peace, Kleopatra, Osiria, or Dark Knight?!	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 DEC by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Most modern roses are better than Dark Night. It's one of the most disease-prone modern HTs I've seen since the 1990s.

Since 'Love' is the bicolor staple still being sold all over North America, that's probably the one to compare, then compare it to others similar in its era. At least from a commercial grower's POV.

The foliage is better. Love has a decent plant shape and decent bloom shape, but the color is drab, and the foliage is very matte red to green, which is not that attractive. Resistances are average, which is sadly better than, for example, Snowfire. Cherries and Champagne probably win in the vigor and foliage selection arena. But the color and form have a problem. They're not very defined in any way. If I was working at a premiere nursery, I'd still direct a non-rosarian customer to 'Love', because I know its a staple that delivers and I won't get in trouble for overselling a product.

Or to be honest, I would tell them to forget an large-flowered bloomer and just get Take It Easy, because I know that's the best current answer out in most nurseries.

So, this leads me back to your original question: I don't think that "it" bicolor HT has been produced in a very long time, and so I have to give a sufficient answer outside of the norm.