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I have a Gold Medal rose that has bright orange roses on the same bush. Does this have to mean the orange flower was the one the Gold Medal was grafted to, or can Gold Medals be solid orange too?
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#1 of 14 posted
21 JUN 08 by
 Cass
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What is the source of the plant? There is no traditional rootstock with orange flowers. Looking closely at the canes with orange flowers, do the leaves, prickles and other botanical details such as bud shape and hips, resemble Gold Medal? Do the orange and golden blooms appear in cycle, at the same time, or in different cycles?
I can think of several possibilities to explain your orange blooms. One is that your plant sported. A second is that your climate conditions bring out the tangerine shading in Gold Metal. A third is that there was an error in budding your rose and two different roses, Gold Medal and a second orange rose, were budded to the same rootstock. You can see from some of the pictures on HMF that some of the blooms show much more tangerine shading.
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#2 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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Thank you so much for your response. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know. What does "sported" mean? Thank you so much for sharing your vast knowledge with me.
I just started really planting roses and learning how to take care of them over the last winter. Last year, I bought my first rose bush. It was the "Gold Medal". Yes, I bought it at Walmart. I didn't know any better. All last year, I thought it was the climate conditions that made the Gold Medal turn orange. I don't think that any more. The leaves ARE slightly different. I overfed the bush recently, and turned my leaves a little yellow. I kept the mold control and bug control up, so I know that was the problem. The overfeeding made the Gold Medal thrive, and the unknown orange flowers yellowed.a bit. The budding cycles are off too, come to think of it. Strangely, the orange flower is very similar in flower size and shape to the Gold Medal. One quick question. What color is the traditional rootstock?
On a positive note. I'm up to 11 rose bushes and all are thriving this year. None of my other bushes were purchased at walmart.
Thank you so much, REALLY.
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#3 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
Cass
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No vast knowledge here, just common rose knowledge, tlampman. A sport is a mutation - - not all that common but not that rare, either. Rose plants have bloom color mutations, climbing mutations (as in the case of the famous rose PEACE, which sported the PEACE, Climbing) and even dwarf mutations. But now that you mention the source of you plant, I suspect it was an error in the production of your rose: two different roses were budded onto the same rootstock.
Is your rose a bush or a rose tree? There are a few roses sold as standards (rose trees) that have two different colored roses deliberately budded onto the standard. The objective is to produce a rose tree with two colors of flowers. Two of the roses used for this effect are color sports. If your rose is a standard, then maybe it was mislabeled and was actually one of these standards. I think Weeks had Livin' Easy and Easy Going budded together, one an orange rose and the other a yellow rose. These are called Twofers.
Most roses sold in big box stores are budded onto a rootstock. The most common rootstock in the USA is Dr. Huey, which has dark red blooms and is a once blooming climbing rose. Other rootstocks used are forms of Rosa multiflora, which has small white flowers.
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#4 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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That's fascinating. I actually enjoy my rose bush with the different types of roses on it. It's one of a kind, adding variety to my vases. I have a rose bush. Half of it is definately a Gold Medal. Gold Medals seem to have a distinctive look about them, and popular on the Gulf Coast, though not as common as you would think. I don't have any rose trees yet. I would love to get a twofer though.
Thank you so much again for your unbelievable knowledge. Interesting that the most common rootstock is a climber. You would think combining that with something meant to be shorter, wouldn't work very well. I've learned a bunch in one year. It seems I have quite a bit more to learn. It seems the mistery is solved. Thanks to you.
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Please take a look at "Magic Lantern" on this site. That rose is a sport of Gold Medal. I grow both Gold Medal and Magic Lantern, and Magic Lantern is definitely more "orange" than Gold Medal. If that's not what you've got, then you may have discovered an entirely new sport! How exciting for you.
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#6 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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Thank you so much for this post. As you have a "Magic Lantern", do any of the solid orange roses on the plant, have an almost florescent color to them? When you look at this orange color, you feel like it would glow in the dark if you had a black light. It has the same vivid color as "Vavoom", but it has more of a tangerine hue to it. Very, very bright. All of the pictures I could find of the "Magic Lantern" make the orange look more eligant. Let me know what you think. Discovering my own sport? I think that's tough to do. But I certainly like the thought of it!
Thanks again!
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I would describe mine as more of a soft orange. Not bright a la Vavoom. If you think you have a new sport, the next thing to do is to try to see if it's "stable" and if it will propagate true to the color that is found in your yard. I'm afraid you will need professional help for this, though. Essentially they take the buds from a stem that sported and graft up new plants to see what grows under various growing conditions all over. I, personally, would love to have a bright orange sport of Gold Medal, so there probably is a market for it if it is stable and does propagate true, and if you can find some help.
And I would also contact the nearest ARS consulting rosarian through your local rose society, who could probably, given that this is a youngish plant, inspect the graft and tell you if there are two of them there (and thus a Walmart error) or if there is one graft and this may really be a sport.
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#8 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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Now I'm a rosaholic too!
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#9 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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The head of our local rose society just came over to my house. Apparently, she lives down the street. She said it was definately a SPORT! She has Gold Medals in her yard as well.
She hasn't been successful grafting anything, but she has rooted roses. She's taken classes on it, and even had someone she knew that was good at it help her. She's a master gardener too. One quick question. Would it be soooo bad if I just rooted a clipping, maybe when the weather cools down?
I'm going to work on this further. I'm just so happy now. I want it to sink in!
You've absolutely made my month, getting me to check this out. Thank you So much.
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I guess that would depend on how much "sport" material you have. I root cuttings sometimes also, but the trouble is -- only approx a third of them "take." You could do this, but it would be a big risk if it doesn't take and you have no more sport material. A rose can sport anywhere along the stem that is coming up orange, and there's no way to know where on the stem the "sport" starts, really. On the other hand, if you can get someone to bud some of your stem onto a rootstock, then your chances of multiplying this sport are much higher. With budding, you can get a whole plant from the single bud at each leaf node below the bloom. I would only try to root cuttings from this if (1) you have a lot of stems that are orange and wouldn't mind losing one or two, or (2) you really couldn't find anyone able to bud up a plant for you. Look around a bit and see if you can't find a supplier that can bud up a few plants for you. One grower that I know does this is www.CoolRoses.com.
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#11 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
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I will be sending Geoff at CoolRoses.com the stalks that he needs to reproduce my Gold Medal sport on Monday (he will be out of town til then). Thank you so much. He was very nice and seemed very hopeful that he could reproduce my orange flowers. We are both in Florida, so hopefully the stalks will make it to him in short order. He will be using Fortuniana Rootstock. The rose society lady said that's what most growers use here.
Thanks again. I'm just thrilled.
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If it works, I want one. And I hope it does.
HAVE FUN!
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#13 of 14 posted
12 JUL 08 by
tlampman
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quite a bit has happened. I decided to go with a rose grower in Mississippi. He is well known around here and the coolroses guy required rights to sell the rose. I don't know if it's sellable. I just don't know enough to give away anything yet. The Mississippi has a flawless rep and a big hybridizing business. Everyone just loves him. I feel comfortable with him. That's what counts. I would love to keep you posted along the way if your interested. I'm trying to root 3 stems myself. 2 weeks now. They're still living-no roots yet though.
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#14 of 14 posted
20 MAR 12 by
goncmg
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Fascinating thread! This is also 4 years old----what happened with the sport??
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I have verified that I have a new sport on my Gold Medal. Could you walk me through the steps of getting it reproduced and distributed?
Thank you,
Tina
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Perhaps try to root multiple cuttings of it to grow and study, choose a name and check at HMF to see if that name is taken, then join IRARS and register it. Good luck! John
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John,
Click the "Not You" link and then use the Forgot Password option to reset your password.
...unless of course you wish to remain anonymous.
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I don't see "not you". John
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I found Not You and THINK I fixed it. John
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Yup, you're signed in properly now.
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I recently spotted this weird bloom on my father's rose plant, a Don Juan. The bloom looks really weird. I have never seen a bloom like it before, my mother said it is a stunted bloom (if that is possible, I don't know). My dad says to just wait and see what happens, let it go its course.
I was wondering if anyone had an explanation for it.
--The plant has black spot, but I don't know if that would affect the bloom.
Thank you!
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#1 of 2 posted
1 MAR 07 by
Wendy C
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Do you see the white stuff on the sepals? It looks like Powdery Mildew, which could explain the bloom. I don't think it's anything to worry about.
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#2 of 2 posted
15 APR 09 by
tlampman
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My Don Juan is getting the same weird blooms. No blackspot. Did you ever get an answer to the stunted bloom issue?
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I have a Mr. Lincoln with one flower with a white streak in it. Is that a mutation or normal?
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Normal. The older red hybrid teas do that quite often. On the show circuit, such streaks are considered a flaw.
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#2 of 2 posted
15 APR 09 by
tlampman
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I never thanked you for this post. By the way, the orange mutation of the Gold Medal is being tested at Conard-Pyle. Thanks for your help on this and cross your fingers.
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