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21 NOV 17 by
 pminor
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love your garden!!! I see that you grow belle sans flatterie I have been searching for a source for this rose Can you advise me where you purchased yours?
Thanks!!
Pat
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#1 of 7 posted
21 NOV 17 by
Catsrose
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I got mine from Vintage Gardens, now defunct. It suckers wildly, so I'd be happy to send you cuttings.
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#2 of 7 posted
22 NOV 17 by
pminor
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That would be so cool! I am happy to reimburse postage.
Sounds like i could get some rooted material, makes it easier.
Thanks!!!
Pat minor
32 celeste ct
Novato ca 94947
I am so happy to find this rose!!
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#3 of 7 posted
22 NOV 17 by
Catsrose
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I assume you have already tried Friends of Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol and the Bay Area Heritage Rose Society. I'm in Virginia, but I'll be happy to send you some.
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#4 of 7 posted
22 NOV 17 by
pminor
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Vintage gardens is no longer in business of sales though friends of vintage gardens has preserved the collection. I have joined and get newsletter. But retail operations closed.
I am so grateful.
Thanks
Pat
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#5 of 7 posted
5 FEB by
Yojimbo
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Do you still get extra suckers from your Belle Sans Flatterie? If so, I'd be willing to pay for a rooted piece or pay for the shipping of a piece. The only place I've seen it for sale recently is the Vintage Roses local sale, but of course they no longer ship and I don't live anywhere close to driving distance to them.
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#6 of 7 posted
7 FEB by
pminor
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Alas i am no longer sure where that rose is. I am willing to pick up a rose from vintage and ship to you. I have a friend living couple miles from them. As long as your state allows shipping plants from CA. And you reimburse me.
Let me know. Contact Greg at Vintage. He often still has toses left over after sales
Pat.
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#7 of 7 posted
15 FEB by
Yojimbo
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I was able to acquire a Louis van Tyll from somebody that ships and I think it's very similar. Just out of curiosity, do you know if Aimable Amie is grown anywhere in the U.S.? It's not even listed under any garden and not listed amongst Vintage's collection. It's another that is very similar. I've seen pictures posted of it on Instagram and Facebook from European gardeners. I assume it's different than Belle Sans Flatterie.
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1 MAY 08 by
Unregistered Guest
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There are two roses in commerce that go by the name Excellenz von Schubert: a non-fragrant Polyantha (P) and a fragrant Hybrid Musk (HM). The former is smaller and more shrub-like in growth habit. The later has longer, gracefully arching canes characteristic of the HM class.
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#1 of 4 posted
2 MAY 08 by
jedmar
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I believe the non-fragrant Polyantha is the real 'Excellenz', as early references do not mention any fragrance. But what is the Musk?
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#2 of 4 posted
2 MAY 08 by
Cass
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It is possible that the non-fragrant polyantha is the true 'Excellenz von Schubert', but in the USA, I think that some nurseries have been selling the wonderful 'Gartendirecktor Otto Linne' under the name 'Excellenz von Schubert.'
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#3 of 4 posted
29 APR 10 by
Catsrose
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Vintage Gardens lists the fragrant, HM, more purple than pink version as EVS. Until someone can disprove it, I think we should accept their version as the standard.
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Does the non-fragrant polyantha set hips? I note that no descendants are listed for EvS. George Thomson is using EvS for breeding, and I'm wondering which version we have in Oz.
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