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jmile 
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23 APR 10 by
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Anyone ever seen this rose in real life, or know where to buy it? It's mentioned in a couple of scientific publications about rose pigments and is one of the rosacyanin based blue colors (the sterling silver type lavender mauve clan), unlike say veilchenblau and the gallica tribe which are high pH cyanidin type pigments. Supposedly seiryu is one of the bluest of the blue (although I feel like I've heard that statement thrown around way too many times). Anyway, with so much marketing hype and so many doctored photos, it would be nice to know if anyone's actually seen this rose in person? Thanks a lot.
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#1 of 3 posted
23 APR 10 by
kev
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i wouldnt be 100% sure but i believe this rose maybe one of then new blues that the csiro here in australia worked with a private venture company that the japaness bought the majority shareholding in.if this is correct then this rose has blue genes [ delphiniods ] spliced into it.i believe at the moment they are only available as cut flowers in australia and japan.as yet they are no better and probably not as good as our normal blues.
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#2 of 3 posted
17 JUL 10 by
Sora
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Seiryu is relatively popular in Japan and sold as pots. I have not seen yet, but I have heard this is a beautiful pale blue violet rose.
I remember Suntory's "Applause" rose by kev's comment. As kev wrote, Suntory's partner's Florigene is an Australian venture company. Also Applause is sold as a cut flower only.
And I recall that my mother(is a florist) said it is strikingly blue, and very artificial-looking.
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#3 of 3 posted
25 NOV by
jmile
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I just purchased this rose and it has a bud on it. I will take a picture when it blooms. It is a young plant so it may change when it gets older and in the ground.
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10 OCT 23 by
jmile
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Same as Blue Dress. Should be AKA for each other?
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#1 of 2 posted
10 OCT 23 by
jedmar
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The Japanese text for 'Blue Dress' says that it is distinct from 'Turn Blue'
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#2 of 2 posted
10 OCT by
Usami
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There are a couple other roses the have a very similar look. Besides the aforementioned Turn Blue and Blue Dress, there's Grawn Blue and Blue Gravity.
I believe I'm possibly missing another one. I assume that at least one of them must be a synonym of another, cause I do see the topic pull up now and then, but there is indeed a lot of confusion on which would be a synonym of which.
I've noticed for years that Grawn Blue does not have an hmf page. I've been aware of these varieties which are just now creeping up in the West's knowledgesphere for a good while.
I could see 'Grawn Blue' being a deformation of 'Gown Blue', meaning of course blue gown aka blue dress. I also remember reading a Facebook poster commenting that 2 in this group were synonyms, but cannot for the life of me find the evidence to say which and which lmao.
Grawn apparently is an actual word, which means cereal, grain, or maize. Perhaps the actual intention of the name is something like 'cornflower blue', if it is a separate variety indeed. Do you happen to know anything about it?
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Wow. The form on this one is really cool.
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I hope someone brings this one to the US soon! Wow is right :)
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#2 of 4 posted
1 OCT by
jmile
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It is in the US. I purchased this rose last year in the US. It was one of the few roses that did well in a pot during last year's extremely hot summer. Apparently loves heat.
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May I ask where you purchased it? Does it have a different name in the US?
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#4 of 4 posted
1 OCT by
jmile
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It has the same name here in the Us. I purchased it from a small nursery on Etsy named RoseFlowerWorld. It is one of the few potted roses that survived the heat.
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The references refer to 'Bienvenue' as a shub, floribunda and climber. Were there two - 'Bienvenue' and 'Bienvenue Cl' - or is the rose variable in its height?
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Great climber for espalier as well as very nice bush.
Mine has been planted several years ago in open field. Had no care whatsoever and it has survived and grown as a nice bush with great flowers!
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#2 of 2 posted
1 OCT by
jmile
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Mine survived last year's and this year's hundred degree weather in a pot. Very hardy in hot weather with very little humidity.
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