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Patricia Routley
most recent 14 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 29 APR 16 by CybeRose
[Named for Edgley, PA - not Edgely]

Everblooming Roses for the Out-door Garden of the Amateur pp. 53-54 (1912)
EVERBLOOMING HYBRID REMONTANT ROSES
Georgia Torrey Drennan

The only other sport of this exclusive family is the Queen of Edgley, or Pink American Beauty. In 1897, in a house devoted to American Beauties by the Floral Exchange Company of Philadelphia, at Edgley, Pennsylvania, fortune unexpectedly came to the rose growers in the form of an American Beauty, except in a distinct shade of pink, without a tinge of red. It was entered and won the Gold Medal at the Rose Show. The name of Queen of Edgley was conferred on it, but Pink American Beauty is the name by which it is best known. The colour is lighter than Caroline Testout, and deeper than La France. During the flush of its brief beauty, it fills an honoured position among the roses of winter and in out-door gardens in springtime, is a rose of imperial beauty.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karl.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 14 DEC by odinthor
But the actual name of the town is Edgely, not Edgley. See, for instance, Google Maps.
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most recent 9 NOV SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 FEB 19 by flodur
This rose is not bred by Rolf Sievers, but by Dr. Dzidra Alfredovna Rieksta, Lettland as 'Ritausma'. The rose was imported by Gustav Strobel in the 1960s on unclarified paths from the Botanical Garden Leningrad / St. Petersburg to Western Europe. Since licensing rights of products of the then USSR were unclear, it was given the name 'Kamchatka' at the reintroduction in 1988 by Ingwer Jensen, who received it via Rolf Sievers, with the remark 'introduced by Rolf Sievers / Ingwer Jensen'. In 1991, BKN Strobel and 2004 Meilland introduced them under the provisional name 'Polaris'. Through direct comparisons of the rose expert Suzanne Verrier, this rose could be given its correct name again. Rolf Sievers has confirmed this true identity and the story to me.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 11 FEB 19 by flodur
That is the problem with stolen roses! Sorry for my typing error, Strobel used the name 'Kamtschatka' (not 'Kamchatka'. And not to be confused with 'Kamchatka Rose' = 'Kamtchatica').
If you put it together with 'Ritausma', Rieksta 1963 = 'Polar Ice', 'Polareis', 'Polarisx', introduced in Germany 1988 as 'Kamtschatka' by Ingwer Jensen - that would be correct. Have a nice day!
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 11 FEB 19 by Patricia Routley
Done. It all looks OK.
But I am now going to share a Note we have had in the file since 2006:
Ritausma vs Polareis. This must be 2 different roses. Here in Norway we are growing this roses. Ritausma been taller and have more slender canes. Polareis has less count of petals and have less pink flowers. The leaves on Ritausma have more slender form. The Polareis roses we have come from BKN Strobel, Germany and the Ritausma roses from Knud Pedersen, Denmark.
Best regards Roger Jaksland, Professional adviser for the Norwegian Rose Society
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 12 FEB 19 by flodur
I talked to Rolf Sievers: The only explanation he has, Gustav Strobel received two variations of 'Ritausma' from Leningrad (One was introduced by Rieksta as 'Ritausma', the other came into trade by these special ways, never authorized by Rieksta). We cannot ask Strobel anymore. I passed the question to Erling Østergard, who has the world largest collection of Rugosas.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 13 FEB 19 by flodur
Erling Østergard, Denmark has Ritausma from Knud Pedersen, Polareis from Sangerhausen and Kamtschatka from a nursery in France. All three are the same rose, no differences at all. It could be that the Norwegian roses differ in the stock used - that may have influence on the budded rose.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 13 FEB 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you for your trouble flodur. Appreciated.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 8 AUG by mballen
Speaking of origins, Google translate tells me that the word "Ritausma" means "Dawn" in Latvian, suggesting a Latvian connection. Whatever the origin, it is a glorious rose. I planted one in my cousin's garden in Springs, Long Island, where it has grown into a tree-like shrub and is the Diva of her spring garden.
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Reply #8 of 7 posted 9 NOV by Kristiina
How old is this rose? I wonder if it takes a special kind of pruning to get rugosas to this tree-like shape?
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most recent 4 NOV SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 AUG 10 by Patricia Routley
An update on my earlier comment on 'Early Blush' rugosa.
A personal communication (August 25, 2010) to me is as follows:
"I spoke to Gretchen [Wheen] this morning re ‘Early Blush’ Rugosa - she found as a seedling at her nursery and propagated it there."

We now need communication from Mistydowns Nursery to clarify the 2003 reference.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 NOV by scvirginia
It seems like we should credit this rose to Ms. Wheen.

The Mistydowns reference sounds like it's probably the same rose, but the backstory got jumbled. The Johnsons may have a different rose of the same name, but it seems more likely, especially given the timing, that they had Wheen's rose, but either they weren't sure it was the same rose, or Mistydowns got the story confused.
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most recent 29 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
Could I confirm with someone the breeder is Bohm please?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 29 OCT by odinthor
I don't know if it qualifies as confirmation; but publication Zprávy ("News") of the Czechoslovak Academy of Sciences Botanical Garden at Pru̇honice (1965, p. 23) attributes 'Hold Slunci' to "Blatná 1950," and Blatná was the location of Böhm's nursery.
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