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jedmar 
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The introduction date for 'Gainsborough' is 1902. Its introductory appearance is in both the regular and the wholesale catalogs of the Good & Reese Co. for that year.
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yesterday by
jedmar
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Rose Listing Omission
Cepheus
From Highgarden Roses website (https://highgardenroses.com/collections/new-arrival/products/cepheus-french-florist-shrub-rose):
Cepheus French Florist Shrub Rose
This stunning pink shrub rose features large, full flowers with serrated petals. Its light pink outer petals contrast elegantly with the deeper pink center, and it releases a sweet, fruity fragrance. Blooming beautifully throughout the seasons, it's a delightful addition to any garden.
Color: Deep pink
Fragrance: Strong, fruity
Bloom form: Cupped
Bloom size: 4"-6"
Repeat bloomer: Yes
Shrub size: 2 1/2'-3 1/3'
Suitable for zones: 5-10
Origin: France
Breeder: Meilland
Year of introduction: 2012
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#1 of 5 posted
3 days ago by
jedmar
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This nursery is not listed on HelpMeFind. There is very little information on the web about them, except as being located in the Portland, Oregon area.
'Cepheus' as a Meilland trade name is unknown. Maybe someone from Meilland can comment?
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If anyone here is a customer of Portland Roses, maybe, right after you hand over the cash or card, you could gently suggest HMF as free advertising which reaches many dedicated rose gardeners.
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The seller might be located in Portland, but there is no physical nursery. I live in the greater metro.
This seems like yet another of those from Etsy, except I don't recognize the name from Etsy. There is no 'About'. Nothing that tells me its a site that might make your money disappear. It COULD be real, but I don't know that, and that's honestly their problem if they do not make it apparent.
Either way, if they are real, then its an atrocious place to root and sell florist varieties. Its a low light, low elevation, high rain area. So possibly somewhere warmer ships the product to them and other like-sellers. I don't know. It just feels off to me.
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OK, my error, it is Highgarden Roses. The website claims "grown and shipped from Portland, Oregon". No street address. They might be growing out seedlings provided by a wholesaler. There is a website, so not only Etsy.
I was interested by your description of propagation difficulties in the area. Is Heirloom at a higher elevation, not so wet? There was once Roy Hennesey's nursery, which I believe would have been not far from the mouth of the Willamette River. Did he not manage to propagate under the conditions you describe? Do greenhouses help with the excessive humidity?
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Heirloom is an hour south of me, and the use a combination of massive greenhouses and also outdoor growouts.
The land there is much more affordable, and they are directly butted against a massive river, surrounded by dairy farms and mint farms (so cheaper access to materials), as well as closer to other ag businesses.
That amount of land to be able to have such an extensive system would cost millions and millions in Portland itself. It would be economically insane.
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2 days ago by
jedmar
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Is this maybe from a different catalogue? Not in the 1925 issue, price not in line, layout looks different
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Where do the various permutations of the parentage of this rose not being directly from a cross of 'Paul's Carmine Pillar' and 'General MacArthur' but rather with an unnamed seedling being involved come from originally? Hobbies itself in its introductory advertisement states plainly, "This is a result of a cross between Carmine Pillar and General McArthur" (sic), from The Rose Annual, 1913, p. 213.
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3 days ago by
jedmar
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This is a tough one to answer. This listing seems to be part of the original ones, almost twenty years ago. These were based mostly on American sources, e.g. Modern Roses. This has the parentage as "seedling of 'General MacArthur' x 'Paul's Carmine Pillar'. Where their editors got it from is unknown. You realize that the ad from Hobbies has the parents juxtaposed?
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3 days ago by
odinthor
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--Or does the breeder ad get it right about the parentage?
I suspect that, with the "seedling" confusion, it's just that someone misconstrued some note stating that it was "a seedling of A x B" as "(a seedling of A) x B" rather than "a seedling of (A x B)." I seem to recall running across that kind of confusion earlier (I forget with what varieties).
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