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I have found a rampant climbing rose on a friend's property that I believe may be San Juan Musk or one very, very similar to it. It has a sweet musk rose fragrance, moderate to strong. The blooms are identical to the ones pictured. The buds are small, soft pastel pink before opening to white blushed with pink and a prominent boss of yellow stamens. It blooms in large cascades of trusses. The rose is at least 50-60 years old in its current location with a "trunk" the size of a tree. It has naturally scrambled 20+ ft into a crepe myrtle tree. It features small, long oval hips, bright red (very much like a hybrid musk). The foliage and canes differ quite a bit from any hybrid wichuranas or hybrid multifloras I've seen. The plant appears completely disease free- no fungal issues of any kind. There is a Dorothy Perkins type rambler about 15ft away with obvious spotty mildew. I'm going to take some photos and post them in the next couple of days.
Update 04.22.2012 with photos as promised. I cannot find any rose in the HMF database other than Suan Juan Musk that matches this found sample. The blooms are distinctly single, small, fragrant. The foliage and hips are very moschata-like.
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When does it flower?
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Hi Margaret. It is currently in bloom (04.22.2012) USDA Zone 7b, central North Carolina. I took these photos earlier today. Spring came earlier than usual for us. We are in peak rose season right now. I do not yet know if it is remontant. It is moderately thorny. I would peg it as a mid-season bloomer, given the typical spring cycle here. The specimen could be anywhere from 60 to 120 years old. It is sited on the land of an old farmhouse developed in the late 19th century and continuously farmed/inhabited. Lynn
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I haven't grown either of the roses in question, but it might be worth looking at pictures of Francis E Lester.
Margaret
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Francis Lester was one of the roses in the database I have on my winnowed list! Great minds think alike :)
The habit and form of my local find is very similar to F. Lester and the found rose San Juan Musk, plus a couple of others I found in the database. The photos posted show darker pink petal margins than my local specimen. Soil, sun exposure and climate differences could affect the color. Central NC as compared to California, parts of Australia or west Texas is much wetter, more humid and intermittently cloudy with dense, red clay soils.
Margaret: I've enjoyed reading and reviewing your posts. You and I seem to share a love for foundlings.
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There are quite a few heritage rose enthusiasts in Aus keeping a lookout for old roses in promising sites. I'm not much good at IDs or research to try to ID them - Patricia and the Tealadies do a lot of that - but I take photos and hope that someone will recognise them.
Have fun with the foundlings!
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The more research I do and the more information I gather leads me to think that there may also be a good dose of multiflora genes in this rambler in addition to my moschata supposition.
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