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'Étoile de Hollande, Cl.' rose Reviews & Comments
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Hello HMF Experts,
I have a Cl. Etoile de Hollande own root that I have owned for many years of luscious red nodding fragrant blooms. I started a cutting from this plant about 4 years ago, which blossomed with the same roses until 1 year ago. It is is a pot, not the ground.
Last fall, I noticed an deep ivory white rose on the plant. Since it was a very late season rose I thought it might be a seasonal aberation. This spring and summer this cutting again set forth with the usual red roses. However, at this time of year again it is sporting a deep ivory rose with a light peach center. It is fragrant, but not the rich damask scent of the red color. It is a sweet, fruity citrusy scent.
The parent plant still sets only red roses.
Any idea what is causing this phenomenon?
I am on the central Oregon coast about 1/4 mile from the Pacific ocean. I use organic fertilizer about 3 times per year. My roses get 6-10 hours of direct sunlight.
Thanks for your help.
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#1 of 14 posted
30 SEP 19 by
 jedmar
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Do I understand correctly that the cutting produced red roses until one year ago and now twice the ivory-peach coloured rose? No red roses anymore?
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#2 of 14 posted
30 SEP 19 by
caduceus
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Thanks for your interest. Both last year and this year it produced red roses in the spring and summer, then a single ivory rose in the early fall.
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#3 of 14 posted
2 OCT 19 by
Jay-Jay
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Looks to me, as if You have found a sport. You might give it a name Yourselves. I envy You a little for this find ;-)
The scent of the original Étoile de Hollande Cl. varies and often has a component of citrus too!
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#4 of 14 posted
3 OCT 19 by
caduceus
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That is an intriguing prospect. I will pay more attention to this rose next spring and tend it with propagation in mind. I hope that this turns out to be a stable sport. The fragrance of this white rose is heavenly. I didn't know that Etoile de Hollande Cl. can have a citrusy scent.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I will update this post next year on my sport's progress.
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#5 of 14 posted
3 OCT 19 by
HubertG
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It's possible that a small branch has sported but has produced only blind shoots during the spring and summer so that it seems to only produce the pale flowers in autumn.
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#6 of 14 posted
4 OCT 19 by
caduceus
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on my rose's growth behavior. I will pay close attention next year to what part of the rose produces red flowers and what part produces white flowers. I think the top part of the plant that produced the white flower this year also produced last year's white flower. I just can't say for sure where the red flowers were on the plant this spring and summer.
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No more updates? Was it a sport or not?
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#8 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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Thank you for your interest. It is a sport. An intoxicating meld of beauty and fragrance. It has produced only pearly peach/ivory blooms since the time it bloomed in 2019. The scent of this sport is the same as when it first appeared--a powerful citrusy yet sweet perfume with a bit of Madagascar bourbon vanilla. Not al all like the parent plant. I can smell it from 2 feet away.
The sport does not have vigorous growth like the parent plant--however, it is healthy. It did not produce any flowers last year. We had had a long cold wet spring this year so it has just leafed out.
The parent plant still produces only classic red blooms of Etoile de Hollande Cl.
I would love to share some photos. And would appreciate your thoughts.
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#9 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It doesn't look to me like Étoile de Hollande at all!
Might there be a mix-up?
Do You have photo's of Your original Étoile de Hollande too?
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#10 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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I have high confidence that this rose plant came from my red Etoile de Hollande Cl. rose plant. Here is why.
I rarely propagate my roses. When I do, I label the cutting as I did with this one.
It has been in a tightly controlled environment in my back yard from the time I started the process to take it from cutting to rooted plant myself. It came from a cutting of my own Etoile de Hollande Cl. plant.
Also, I obtained my own-root parent plant in the early 2000's from either the Uncommon Rose (now closed) in Corvallis Oregon or Heirloom Nursery in St. Paul Oregon. I trust I received a true Etoile de Hollande Cl. as both nurseries had a strong reputation for ensuring all offerings were true to variety.
This cutting from the parent plant had produced the red blooms of this variety only until I noticed that first late season bloom back in September 2018. And it produced red blooms for 1 year again after that, then no more red blooms. Only white.
The bloom still has the nodding characteristic of the parent plant's bloom as the neck is still rather weak.
I will post a photo of the parent plant later.
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Foliage looks pretty characteristic too... I think we could try to compare it with your Etoile d'hollande's foliage, and/or with some other photos of Etoile d'hollande.
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Have you given it a name?
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#13 of 14 posted
3 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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Haven't given it a thought.
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#14 of 14 posted
13 AUG 23 by
caduceus
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Update 8/13/2023 The sport now has 5 buds in various stages of maturity. I plan to let all buds that emerge mature to flowers so I can make sure it produces only white flowers. It was slow to leaf out this year due to a long cold and rainy spring. It is healthy and going for it with new growth.
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