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Hi, This is a found Tea Rose, in Mar del Plata, Buenos Aires province, Argentina,past spring, October 2018, this rose grows in old houses all around the cities, and little countries (it's very common). Someone can suggest something about this rose?
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Hello Rafael,
My first thoughts turn to ‘E. Veyrat Hermanos’, but I would also consider ‘Mademoiselle Franziska Krüger’ as well.
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#2 of 12 posted
17 APR 19 by
 HubertG
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Whatever it is, it is very beautiful and striking. What is its fragrance like, Rafael?
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#3 of 12 posted
17 APR 19 by
HubertG
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'E. Veyrat Hermanos' is described in early references as being like a climbing 'Comtesse de Nadaillac', but 'Comtesse de Nadaillac' is also described as being very thorny, which this found Tea doesn't appear to be from the photos, ruling 'Comtesse de Nadaillac' out.
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The Tea book says E Veyrat Hermanos was used as an understock for a while, which may be one reason why it turns up in old gardens.
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This rose is showing features and quirks often seen on 'E. Veyrat Hermanos'. Apart from the form and colour range of the blooms, it is showing a number of blooms that are balled, with browned outer petals.
I've noticed that as the petal-packed buds of EVH develop, the sepals reflex away from the bud very early - before the petals have had any chance to harden off a little and this leaves the thin, soft, outer petals exposed and unprotected from weather and temperature fluctuations. As a result the outer petals easily adhere to each other, browning off and preventing the bud from opening well.
This seems to be worse in spring than summer and autumn, and especially bad when cut back hard in winter when the hard pruning stimulates extravagant flower production, many of which are imperfect - balled, browned and split.
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#6 of 12 posted
18 APR 19 by
HubertG
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But 'E. Veyrat Hermanos' is a climber, isn't it? Rafael's rose doesn't appear to be a climber.
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In my garden where it has nothing to climb on, it just flops over on itself, just as Rafael’s photos show. In my cool, damp garden I have a common (very common!) name for this rose: Souvenir de canine’s testicles. I only keep it to know it.
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This seems almost a repeat of the discussion we had some time ago about the roses Bassoues Tea and now Isabella Ducrot, doesn't it? These all need to be DNA tested to figure out what they are.
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How much does it cost to DNA test a cultivar?
And how much of a parentage database already exists?
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I can't answer either question. What I would suggest would be to submit all the various roses concerned to be tested against each other.
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Thank you Patricia for your response!, my first thoughts when I saw this wonderful rose turns to E. Veyrat Hermanos, even though I never see it personally, I only know it by photograph, but E. V. H. was in old catalogues here in Argentina, so I always thought that one day I would find it.
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