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I realize this is an old thread, but there was a comment that this rose was bred by Tom Carruth and HMF notes that is was bred by Christian Bédard. I agree that this rose has to be seen in person. I saw this rose in a friend's garden today and the variation of colors were beautiful.
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I see the comment, but the Patent and Registration say Bedard.
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19 JUN 08
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#1 of 9 posted
19 JUN 08 by
 Cliff
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Sally, since this is a new rose this year, I don't have any history with it. And this photo was taken when the plant was under shade cloth. My guess is that the color will vary similar to the way the color of Hot Cocoa does, with more orange as it gets hotter. My early take on Coffee Bean is quite positive.
Cliff
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#4 of 9 posted
20 JUN 08 by
Auntie_S
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Thanks, Cliff--I am on the fence about this one--loved Hot Cocoa when I saw it blooming in Oregon & purchased one, but it hasn't showed much of the same coloring in our hot, dry valley climate. That is why I especially wanted your input on Coffee Bean as I know you have similar hot, dry weather there--I am not particularly fond of plain dark orange roses.
Have you had any experience with Pennies from Heaven? I am also considering this rose--looks wonderful & I have had some positive input about this one.
Sally
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Hi Sally. You'll find the "brown" roses are actually orange roses which 'blue', or form purple hazes over the orange. Your eye and brain register this as 'brown'. Cameras and film register it as orange or red. Seldom will you actually see a photo of what your eye sees, unless the person who manipulated it did it to reflect what they saw.
Nearly twenty-five years ago, I took photos of the odd colors in my garden. Behind my mom's house was a one hour place I'd had good luck with, and I've always believed in spending my money in my neighborhood. When I picked up the photos, they were horrible! Tans were pink. Brown was orange or red. Lavender was pink. I cut the flowers I photographed and returned to the photo shop with them. The owner looked in disbelief and started to laugh. He said he KNEW they couldn't have been THOSE colors and thought his equipment was way out of whack. He sat there and reprinted them, adjusting every one to exactly what he saw in sunlight, instead of the flourescent lights of the shop. Kim
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#3 of 9 posted
20 JUN 08 by
jedmar
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We have 'Ebb Tide' and 'Midnight Blue' in our garden. To the eye, the colour of the two is very similar. When we take pictures, 'Ebb Tide' shows "true" violet, while 'Midnight Blue' has almost invariably a reddish hue. Exasperating!
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#6 of 9 posted
20 JUN 08 by
Auntie_S
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Yep! I hear you...that is why I so appreciate talking to someone who actually has seen a rose like this in person, or better yet, has it in their garden and has seen it bloom under different weather conditions.
Thanks for taking time to respond to my question.
Sally
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#10 of 9 posted
21 JUN 08 by
Cass
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Hi, Jedmar. The problem of capturing the color of mauve roses with digital photos is as much a computer software problem as a light and color problem. One key to accurate color representation on the computer display is the use of a powerful software of an image editor such as Photoshop Elements or Photoshop to correct color of high quality and high resolution digital images. Starting with ample data in a large digital image is the first step.
An image editor has the ability to correct the color of the mauve flower without changing the color of the green leaves. Digital cameras are tiny little computers with tiny little brains. Using a large notebook or desktop's computer with a powerful image editor assures much better results by bring the tools of a great big computer with great big brains to the task.
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#5 of 9 posted
20 JUN 08 by
Auntie_S
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Thanks, Kim--I have experienced the same frustrations trying to capture complex colors with my digital camera. I know cameras can be tweaked a bit to at least partially compensate for the way the camera "sees" color, but I am mostly just a "point & shooter" when it comes to photography.
Have you seen Coffee Bean in person? I am also curious about Pennies from Heaven--would appreciate any comments you may have...
Sally
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You're welcome, Sally. I haven't seen either rose in person, but they're Tom Carruth roses and I've learned that MEANS something! Tom breeds GOOD roses, particularly for the west coast. I haven't had a bad one from him, yet. I pretty much only use older roses I know well, or Tom's roses in installations for clients because I KNOW they'll do well and my clients will love them.
You shouldn't have to tweak your camera for the colors. A good photo program should allow you to do just about anything you want to them. Sorry that I can't tell you HOW to do it. I know it can be done, but I honestly don't care to know how. Just make the danged thing DO what I'm thinking, like my old Minolta SLRs always have. Kim
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#7 of 9 posted
20 JUN 08 by
Auntie_S
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Thanks, Kim--I have experienced the same frustrations trying to capture complex colors with my digital camera. I know cameras can be tweaked a bit to at least partially compensate for the way the camera "sees" color, but I am mostly just a "point & shooter" when it comes to photography.
Have you seen Coffee Bean in person? I am also curious about Pennies in Heaven--would appreciate any comments you may have...
Sally
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#9 of 9 posted
21 JUN 08 by
jedmar
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I have found that it helps if you focus your digital camera not directly on the "difficult" rose, but on the leaves nearby, or on your hand which you hold beside the rose, then keep the settings, swing the camera back to the rose and take the photo. With this method, you are actually making a white or grey calibration, which is more in line with what we see.
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