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"Ruth's German Rose" Reviews & Comments
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6 MAY 21 by
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Available from - Friends of Vintage Gardens
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I'm considering 'Violet sans Aiguillons' as a possible match. An 1828 (or maybe older) rose is indeed a long shot, but the description does fit rather well for my "Matchmaker".
Since I do have this once-blooming OGR, it must have come from somewhere. How might an old French rose have gotten to SC? Possibly through the Noisette nursery (a going concern in Charleston from the early 1800's until the mid-1900's), or some other nursery that imported from France? Or via private individuals; there were many Charlestonians of French descent, and travel to and from the continent during peacetime was common for those who could afford the voyage.
I can say that my rose is quite easy to propagate, despite the thin stems. This (and its thornlessness) makes it a nice passalong plant, and its easy-going nature (heat tolerant, shade tolerant and disease-resistant) are the likely reasons it has survived, whatever its original name was.
I do have a plant of 'Cardinal de Richelieu' growing nearby, and the habit is somewhat similar, but while 'CdR' grows tall and upright, "Matchmaker"'s canes tend to lean out once they get tall. This seems to fit the early descriptions of 'Violet sans Aiguillons', but there may be some other thornless OGR's with a leaning habit and a uniformly violet flower that I don't yet know about.
Any suggestions will be welcome... I have looked pretty closely at photos of 'Reine des Violettes' (and also the imposter 'RdV' in the U.S.), and the leaves are quite different. Also the flowers aren't uniformly colored.
The bloom photos are of the mature plant that I took cuttings from; my plants are almost a year old now, and I'm hoping they'll bloom in April or May of 2016.
Thanks,
Virginia
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#1 of 5 posted
8 JAN 16 by
 Belmont
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Have you looked at any of the Boursault roses? They are completely thornless, easy to root and have a French connection.
Your rose could be what I have heard called the 'Purple Boursault.' Look at the photos under 'R. boursaultii' and take the color on the photos with a grain of salt.
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I think I probably did look at the Boursaults, but just looked again to be sure. The flower shape seems to be variable, but I didn't see any that were as full as my rose. Also my rose doesn't seem inclined to climb or ramble, and doesn't have that graceful- almost sinuous- vine-like habit that the Boursaults seem to have. The foliage doesn't look right either, and if the stipules are really fringed (as on the description page), that's another discrepancy.
I really like the look of some of the boursault-types, but I don't think it's a good match for my plant.
I very much appreciate your having a look at it, though.
Thanks,
Virginia
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#3 of 5 posted
9 JAN 16 by
Belmont
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After I posted I did notice that yours is much more double and I don't see a white stripe, though not all boursaults have that.
I did a little more research and the one that is the most double and matches yours better is 'Amadis.' Particularly the photos from Mottisfont. I also read that Amadis was once popular as a rootstock.
I think the note about fringed stipules might be a mistake. I am almost positive I have not seen that on mine. A description I read elsewhere said the stipules have glands like on your detail stipule photo.
Your rose is beautiful and I'm looking forward to hearing what it turns out to be.
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'Amadis' is a lovely climber, especially in that photo from Mottisfont. I wouldn't mind at all if my rose were 'Amadis', but it shows no inclination to climb and has different-looking foliage and habit.
I do wonder if the climbing Hybrid China 'Amadis' might be really the same as the Boursault one... the descriptions are fairly similar (purple shaded with crimson), and the Boursault 'Amadis' was probably crossed with something that wasn't a Boursault to get that full bloom...
Thanks again,
Virginia
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#5 of 5 posted
10 JAN 16 by
Belmont
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The fact that there is not much under the HC 'Amadis' listing makes me agree that they could be the same, or that the HC is extinct if it was different.
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