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"Rose de Resht" rose Reviews & Comments
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20 MAR 15 by
moriah
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If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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#3 of 11 posted
10 JUN 23 by
 Jay-Jay
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It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah
Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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#6 of 11 posted
24 JAN by
odinthor
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'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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#7 of 11 posted
24 JAN by
Jay-Jay
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Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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#8 of 11 posted
24 JAN by
odinthor
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My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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#9 of 11 posted
24 JAN by
Jay-Jay
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I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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My new own roots plant of Rose de Resht just opened a flower which looks of a quite different colour... It's a medium pink, and external petals are particularly pale compared to the normal bright fuchsia of Rose de Resht.
Unfortunately, at this moment it's the only opened flower, so I can't make direct comparison with normal blooms. Several other flower buds are on the way, and some could be on the same branch bearing the pink flower. The flower looks quite different, but my only doubt is that, being on a young own roots plant from a rooted cutting (2 years old I think), it could be a normal flower, just not fully developed.
However, I took a photo of the "strange" flower... please give me your thoughts about it.
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Yes, it could be a sport, but you say this is a new plant. I'm supposing, then. that you haven't seen previous blooms from this plant to know what a 'normal' flower for this plant looks like?
Assuming that you do have a correctly identified plant to start with, a young plant is, I think, more likely than an established plant to produce temporarily anomalous blooms. By which I mean a flower that isn't a true sport that could be propagated as a different rose, but just looks different because of temporary, local stressors such as a moisture or nutrient imbalance of the soil, extreme weather, or just a young plant struggling to establish its root system while also producing flowers, however imperfectly.
Short answer is that I would wait to see how your new plant continues to bloom this year and next before deciding what its normal blooms look like, and whether your plant could have been propagated from a sport on an established plant, or produced a sport on its own.
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I forgot to mention: yeah, I already saw the normal flowers of this plant, and it's the typical, intensely fuchsia Rose de Resht, which I know very well having had a couple plants of different origins in the past, plus having seen it several times in other gardens (my brother has a beautiful thick bush of this rose in his garden)... one of the most unmistakable roses I think! One of the very few about which I can be 100% sure!
And yeah, that plant is putting most of its force (and most of the generous nutrients I'm feeding it) into growing very vigorously... perhaps, that's why a few flowers were not very well formed, either with proliferation in the middle, or asymmetrical (but all were normally coloured as normal Rose de Resht).
Anyway, several new buds are growing now, both on the (hypothetically) muted branch and on other branches, so I think I'll be able to figure out this thing in a few days. I'll take care not to cut anything from that branch... of course it's impossible to know the exact point where a sport started from the parent branch, and I imagine that it could be very short, so I prefer to avoid any risk of cutting it away!
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Since you've seen it bloom before, you know that you have the correct plant.
It's most likely that this was just an immature bloom from an immature plant which is apparently very busy growing into a large, suckering plant, but keep an eye on it to see if that branch produces 'normal' flowers going forward.
If it continues to produce the lighter colored flowers, you may enjoy trying to propagate the sport, and/or you may want to cut out the sporting branch from the plant to only keep branches with the deep pink blooms you know and love.
Even if it is a sport, and even if you can propagate it, it may not be a stable sport, and may revert to the usual RdeR blooms pretty easily.
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Thank you for your advices. If it will reveal being a pink sport, I'll try to propagate it for sure... The "almost perpetually blooming Gallica hybrid" Rose de Resht is way too interesting and unique, to let a pink sport go.
Anyway, it's on a very short lateral sprout (just a few cm's) of the main branch... so, if the sport would be on a consistent section of the branch, it would be pretty easy to propagate, but if it would be just on that lateral sprout, it would be much more complicated. Let's see what will happen next weeks!
That said, that very short lateral sprout tells me that a malformation of the flower it bears, is a little bit more likely than a sport.
I add another photo I just took tonight, colour and exposure adjusted for being as true as possible.
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I agree that this is likely to be an imperfect flower due to an immature plant spending most of its energy rooting and suckering.
Having said this, I'll point out that the origins of "Rose de Rescht" are mysterious, and it's considered to be a 'found rose'. Perhaps it is a usually stable bright pink sport of another rose, such as 'Joasine Hanet', with which it is sometimes confused in commerce and in gardens. I'm just speculating here...I don't know or grow either rose.
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#2 of 7 posted
6 JUL 23 by
Lee H.
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Obvious, but perhaps worth mentioning: it is not uncommon for rose growers to make an error. I have a few roses in my garden of which I may never know the true identity. There’s many a slip ‘twixt the propagator and your garden.
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#7 of 7 posted
8 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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I've seen this before on my own Rose de Rescht. Especially on suckers.
At first I thought I had a different Rose growing there, but it is the same rose, as for fragrance too.
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This beautiful and intensely fragrant cultivar is listed as "scattered flowers later in the season".
To me, if well grown, it's reblooming is much more intense than that, it could be the strongest among Portlands. I'd be tempted to define it as almost "continue", in the best situations and in full grown bushes. It's a precious variety, because it brings strong reblooming into a bush of 100% old rose character and compact size.
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#1 of 1 posted
10 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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From the Netherlands, I completely agree.
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Is this rose as fragrant as mr Lincoln?
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I think yes, if you are asking about intensity... But it's quite different.
It's more old rose, in particular to me it smells similar to certain very fragrant old Gallica hybrids (Belle de Crecy for example).
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