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'Crivellii' rose Reviews & Comments
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most recent 7 MAR 24 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 MAR 24 by odinthor
Dr./Prof. Crivelli seems to have been a physicist/geometer/inventor, though also a rose fancier, dead by 1832 when Luigi Manetti of Monza mentions him in a piece in The Gardener's Magazine (vol. 8, p. 498) as, in dying, having confided something concerning the construction of a glass (?) cone ('cono ustorio') which could be used to set fire to a fleet of (wooden) ships. Rivers meantime mentions the rose 'Crivellii' as being 'new' in 1837. Assuming with some likelihood that Luigi Manetti was one of the brothers of our horticulturist Giuseppe Manetti of Monza, there's a good possibility that Prof. Crivelli was known to the Manetti family and that thus there is a good possibility that 'Crivellii' came from G. Manetti; but it appears unlikely that the late Prof. Crivelli was responsible for the rose 'Crivellii' (unless it had been held back for several years before introduction).
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 6 MAR 24 by jedmar
There were many members of the Crivelli family at the time. Andrew Hornung believes it was Count Crivelli. Alberto Crivelli, Count of Luino and Ossolaro (1816-1868) is too young to be the correspondent of Rivers. His father Ferdinando Crivelli (December 9, 1767 Vienna - April 12, 1856 Milano) fits from the period, but Luino is on Lago Maggiore not on Lake Como. My guess would be Giuseppe Gabriel Balsamo Crivelli (September 1, 1800 Milano - November 15, 1874 Pavia), botanist, zoologist and geologist, director of the botanical garden of Brera (1827-51). In 1839, he discovered the fossil of Lariosaurus in Lario, Lake Como. He is mentioned in JSTOR as a plant collector.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 6 MAR 24 by odinthor
Was any of these the Crivelli of the Palazzo Crivelli near the village of Inverigo? This palace, near Monza, had a small English Garden, known as l'Orrido, considered beautiful. See Nuovo Itinerario d'Italia, by Jean Marie Vincent Audin, 1832, p. 83.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 MAR 24 by jedmar
The Villa Crivelli near Inverigo is apparently in disuse since the 1950s after the last Marchese died. There is a Facebook page Amici del Castello di Inverigo which shows photos. On another website, it says that the Crivelli family moved to Milano after Napoléon abolished aristocracy in 1797. Following the descendants of Flaminio Crivelli on Geneanet mentioned as the founder in the 16th century, the contemporary of Thomas Rivers would have been Tiberio Crivelli, Milanese patrician, Marchese di Agliate (7th, September 10, 1821 - February 8, 1882), Signore di Rancate, di Verano, di Robbiate, di Varedo, di Dorno, di Lomello, di Lambrugo and di Busana Inferiore. All of these places are south of Inverigo, except Lambrugo. This seems to be a distiunct Crivelli line, not related to those mentioned earlier. The last Marchese di Agliate listed on Geneanet is Uberto Crivelli (1905-1973), who is also mentioned on some of the websites mentioned above.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 MAR 24 by jedmar
There is also a parentage tree of Giuseppe Gabriel Balsamo Crivelli on Geneanet. He was Marchese di Zelo Surrigone, a small location southwest of Milano. No connection evident to Como. Was Professor of Natural History in Pavia and died there.
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