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'Madame Ernest Calvat' rose Reviews & Comments
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I have been wondering for years if the scent of this rose was identical to Mme Isaac Pereire's, from which Mme Ernst Calvat supposedly sported (Graham Stuart Thomas declared MEC in his garden reverted to MIP, and so there should be no doubt about the sporting). I finally got this rose and while the scents are comparable in intensity, I think MEC is somewhat more citrusy and less quintessentially rosy than MIP. (To me, there are two quintessential rose scents: the true damask scent of Quatre Saisons or Kazanlik, and the scent of MIP; I never detected raspberries in MIP at all, despite its scent being often described in that way). Although not as distinctive as MIP's, the scent of MEC is very good. Unfortunately, I don't care for MEC's looks -- the combination of that shade of pink with the untidy quartering is just a little dowdy. I think MIP's bloom form is superior to MEC -- not just on my plant, which I acquired only last year and so might not be putting out its best display (though it is quite covered in buds), but in the photographs posted on HMF too.
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#1 of 1 posted
1 JUN 22 by
Gdisaz10
in my opinion it does not in the least match the perfume of Pereire. In the heat it almost vanishes moreover
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Just a bit of a silly question -- this rose is classed here as a "Bourbon, Climbing" but its sport-parent is classed here as a "Bourbon". I admit that both are long-caned Bourbons which have climbing habits, but if many references claim the sport is slightly less vigorous than the parent, shouldn't that indicate that both should at least be in the same class?
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~Christopher
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Yes, they should. Fixed. Virginia
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#2 of 7 posted
6 JUL 17 by
jedmar
Climbing sports are quite usual among Roses. They are not less vigorous, possibly less floriferous. Look for example at 'Souvenir de la Malmaison, Cl.' It is a monster!
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#3 of 7 posted
6 JUL 17 by
AquaEyes
From what I've always read, 'Mme Ernest Calvat' differs from 'Mme Isaac Pereire' in bloom color and being slightly less vigorous. Never have I seen it described as a "climbing sport".
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~Christopher
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Both roses are classed Bourbon by the ARS
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#5 of 7 posted
7 JUL 17 by
jedmar
Please check the references.
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#6 of 7 posted
7 JUL 17 by
AquaEyes
For what are we checking?
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~Christopher
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Mme Ernst Calvat 1889 Mme. Isaac Pereire - rampant 1936 climbing 1992 6 feet
Mme. Isaac Pereire 1881 & 1914 very vigorous 1913 pillar 1936 climbing 2.5m 1992 & 1993 7' (2m)
In the 'Mme Isaac Pereire' file, member Carlene in Texas has reported 15-20 foot canes. Looking at the photos, there is a fairly big bush from member Mirek in Czech Republic; member Rescht-Laurent in France displays a trained climber; Sylvieyou, France has it over a pergola; and Ananto, Netherlands refers to it as "an ideal climber".
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14 MAR 11 by
Jimmy
Which scent is the strongest? Madame Ernest Calvat vs. Louise Odier. Please reply. Thanks.
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I've had Mdme Ernest for nine years and have enjoyed her very much. She's extremely winter hardy. It takes -20 temps to damage the canes. Mdme Ernest needs lots of room as she gets very large, even in zone 5. Her only fault would be a bit of powdery mildew in August, nothing horrible though. And she doesn't like being pruned in the least. If you want a fuss free rose this is one to look at. Dead head, clip off dry ends and go.
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