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'Lochinvar' rose Reviews & Comments
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Héro de Walter Scott
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I was meaning to order Lochinvar this year from David Austin - only to find it has disappeared from his catalogue as if it had never existed. Was it a figment of my imagination, was it terribly unpopular - can anyone tell me why?
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#1 of 8 posted
15 JUL 12 by
HonzaPM
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DA info - it´s hard to produce new plants (the stems mades only a few new buds to be used to get a new plant) - it was out of stock for a few years...
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1 AUG 15 by
 Jukka K
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In my opinion they should start propagating and offering some roses, including this one, rugosa hybrids and others that are vigorous enough, on own roots. As a spinosissima hybrid, Lochinvar may be difficult to root, though. But a large business like DA should be able to outsource micropropagation easily.
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How is it known that this a spinossima hybrid? I wish nurseries would release the lineages of their roses: it would be a great help to gardeners in cold and hot zones.
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David Austin's website (see references) intimates that it comes from a spinosissima.
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Thank you. I have not yet seen his 2015 catalogue.
I am glad to see him breeding with cold hardy roses. 'Lochinvar' is quite beautiful in the pictures. I hope it becomes available again in North America.
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David Austin has said that he will publish the parentages of all his roses in due course but he must be allowed to do so in his own time, as and when he judges that releasing details will no longer give rise to the potential for a commercial disadvantage. He is on record as saying that 'Lochinvar' has a substantial element of Rosa spinosissima its ancestry and it seems to me that it should not be too difficult for curious rosarians to think of some possible parents. More interesting for David Austin is the fact that he finds it very resistant to fungal disease – is this the experience of HMF members everywhere?
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I can understand and appreciate Mr. Austin's reasoning but I question the alleged commercial advantage to be obtained from concealing parentage, a least in the North American market. I have read any number of online reports and comments from gardeners who have given up on the Austin roses altogether after having spent too much money and time on cultivars unsuitable for their particular growing conditions.
Unfortunately, nurseries got into the habit of stocking whatever the J&P representative was pushing that year, so we had rugosas being offered in CA and tender HTs in Maine, and English Roses offered all over the country no matter what the climate.
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I have been in touch with Michael Marriott at David Austin Roses. He makes the point that parentages are not a reliable guide to hardiness, but he will respond more fully to your concerns in due course. He says that his firm is very keen to share its experiences of hardiness with its customers and confirms that it has test grounds in both California and upstate New York.
We find in Europe that winter hardiness can vary over quite a small area – this is a problem, in particular, in Scandinavia. I imagine that this is also true within the individual states and territories of the US.
May I add a personal note? I have noticed that many roses bred for hardiness in North America (I am thinking of the Morden, Explorer, Buck & Bugnet culitvars) are bigger, healthier and better in every way in warm climates. I have never seen such flourishing rugosas as can be found in the gardens around Los Angeles.
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Available from - Knud Pedersens Planteskole
www.rosenposten.dk
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Available for sale at David Austin Roses in the UK
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Available at:
Thank you for bring this to our attention. I have just updated the “Available At” tab on the rose page to include the rose in David Austin Roses UK inventory.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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