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'Greta Kluis' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 18-135
most recent 5 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 APR 07 by Patricia Routley
The Bobbink & Atkins, Rutherford, New Jersey, 1932 'Roses' catalogue, page 39, lists 'Greta Kluis' as a "deep-coloured sport of 'Louise Walter'."
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 20 APR 07 by jedmar
We have added another reference which lists both Echo and Louise Walter as the possible pollen parent - apparently this was not quite clear cut even in the 30s. We mention this now as a note. Thank you for your alert.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 8 MAY 16 by Michael Garhart
The foliage, habit, and petal shape support the idea that they are not 100% from the 'Echo' line. Similar, yes, but there is a definite shift after Echo. While this could be a mutation, I personally doubt it, since the other line seems to possess traits that the Koster line has.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 4 MAY 17 by CybeRose
Patricia,
The Bobbink & Atkins catalog of 1923 lists 'Louise Walter' as "Baby Tausendschon'.

'Echo', on the other hand, "resembles the Baby Tausendschon inits coloring, but is more vigorous."

I had long assumed that 'Echo' was 'Baby Tausendschon'.

So, if one person claimed that 'Greta Kluis' was a sport from 'Baby Tausendschon', it would be easy enough for one other person to assume that 'Echo' was intended rather than 'Louise Walter' (or vice versa).
Karl
https://archive.org/stream/CAT31309162#page/32/mode/2up
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 4 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
I feel like we're uncovering the rose mysteries of the world. 'Raiders of the Lost Anthers'
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 5 MAY 17 by CybeRose
It is fun, sometimes, but also frustrating. I had long pointed to the sport-lineage from 'Tausendschon' to 'Climbing Margo Koster' as an example of the weirdness that can happen when we pay attention to sports and preserve them. How odd that a once-blooming rambler can give rise (after multiple sports) to a reblooming climbing polyantha.

But now I have to start with 'Louise Walter', which is not quite so interesting because it is a rebloomer.
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Discussion id : 98-978
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Initial post 3 MAY 17 by CybeRose
The Growth of Half a Century, 1874-1924: Fifty Years' Development of an American Nursery (1924)
Jackson & Perkins Co

Greta Kluis. D.Pol. (Kluis & Koning, 1915.) Sport of Louise Walter. An extremely desirable variety. A beautiful shade of deep carmine-pink that changes to bright carmine-red. Free flowering over long season.
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