'Tristesse' rose reviews and comments

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Discussion id : 29-226 most recent 29 FEB 12 SHOW ALL

Initial post 22 JUL 08 by Unregistered Guest

I add a reference from "Rosas de España" writen by Friera:

"Tristeza HT (C.Camprubí Nadal, 1953)
Charles P. Kilham x Betti Uprichard
Arbusto de mediana vigorosidad, de vegetación algo divergente, muy florífero, con abundante follaje verde franco. Los tallos sostienen rígidamente, con sus pedúnculos, a las flores que son de tamaño mediano y de fina forma imbricada. Su color es de un extraordinario tono lila, más oscuro en el fondo del pétalo y más difuminado en su extremidad. Es notable por marcar una etapa en el colorido de los rosales debido a su tono extraño y original. Resistente a las enfermedades"

I can't translate literally, but I can say ( I 'm from Barcelona) that Camprubí family hasn't longer a nursery since the end of the 70's. Almost all the roses bred by Camprubí are lost forever.
Thanks

Reply #1 of 4 posted 22 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Thank you for the Reference. My Spanish is just enough to get the gist of the text. A number of Camprubi Nadal's roses have survived thanks to Prof Fineschi in Italy.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 FEB 12 by Hei_hei

I do can translate it... ;)

"Medium robustness bush, with somewhat divergent growth, very floriferous, with abundant simple green foliage. The stems support rigidly, with their peduncles, the flowers which are of medium size and have a fine imbricated shape. Their color is an extraordinary lilac ("lila" can translate for purple, violet, lilac, mauve... if it is taken in its generic sense would be purple, more strictly lilac), darker on the petal's deeper end and more softened at its edge. Is it of note for marking a turning point on roses color due to its strange and original shade. Resistent to diseases."

I found on internet this one has been conserved in Australia, at Ruston's.

Reply #3 of 4 posted 27 FEB 12 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Unfortunately the plant list at Ruston's is out of date. I will ask David Ruston, who retired some years ago, whether Tristesse is still there; if it is, we will try to preserve it. 2012 / 2 / 29: Ruston's no longer have it. David says it was a weak grower at Remark (zone 9b). Adieu Tristesse.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 FEB 12 by Hei_hei

What a pity... Well... I'll try to look somewhere else.	REPLY

Discussion id : 28-848 most recent 12 JUL 08 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 11 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Re almost no details for Tristesse

1961 Australian and New Zealand Rose Annual
p46 New Rose Review for 1961 by S. J. Samuels, Nelson, N.Z.
Tristeza (or Tristesse). Nadal, 1953. (Charles P. Kilham x Betty Uprichard). Medium sized double blooms of lovely textured brown-mauve of 20 to 30 petals are borne on spreading bushes of moderate height. It has its admirers even if it is not everybody's colour.

Reply #1 of 6 posted 11 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Cass

Thanks, Patricia! I checked Modern Roses 12, which lists the breeder as C. Camprubi of Spain. I find another rose attributed to Nadal-Camprubi, the pernetiana Violinista Costa. I'll keep checking to see if I can find out more about Nadal.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 6 posted 12 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thanks Cass. I have found a reference to an aricle written by C. Camprubi Nadal of llobregat, Barcelona and have put this article in the breeder's page.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 6 posted 12 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Cass

I see! There is only a single person, C. Comprubi Nadal. Is the last name Comprubí Nadal?	REPLY

Reply #4 of 6 posted 12 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Cass - I am not sure if there is one - or two people. The by-line in the 1954 Annual is C. Camprubi Nadal, Llobregat, Barcelona. (not Comprubi).

1943 T. C. Mansfield 'Roses in Colour and Cultivation'. 1947 edition p255 lists the breeder of
Violinista Costa as Nadal.

1950 Pedro Dot in 'The Rose Annual' UK, page 106 refers to him as Camprubi.

1965 Roy Genders 'The Rose' page 266 hyphenates the name and lists the breeder for Violinista Costa as Camprubi-Nadal

1974 Gerd Krussman, p153 lists Carlos Camprubi, Cornella de Llobregat, Barcelona as the breeder of 'Violinista Costa' etc.

Sorry I can't help further.
Patricia

Reply #5 of 6 posted 12 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

In Spain surnames are usually a combination of both the father's and mother's surnames. So both Camprubi and Camprubi Nadal would be correct.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 6 posted 12 JUL 08 by HMF supporting member

Cass

Thanks to you both.	REPLY