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'White China' rose Reviews & Comments
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Annalen der Blumisterei, 5: 216-217 (1829) Rosa Thea alba Die weiße Theerose
Blühte in einem prachtvollen Eremplar in des reichen Pflanzensammlung des hrn. Magistratsrathes Sröttner zu Nürnberg im Glashause im Mai.
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Das Laub ist sehr lebhast grün, das mittelste der 5 Blätter das längste, die bieden untersten die leinsten, der Blattstiel etwas röthlich. Die Rose halt 4 Zoll im Durchmesser, und it 1 1/2 Zoll hoch, ganz gefüllt, die schmälern Blätter, welche innen stehen, ausrecht, eng aneingnder, die außern gewöldt, 1 1/2 Zoll hoch, 1 3/4 Zoll breit, weiß, mit geringerm röthlichen Schimmer, als die innern. Ist die Blume vollfommen ausgeblüht, dann werden alle Blätter weißlich. Ie hat, wie die vorige, den lieblichen Theegeruch.
Kultur. Die der bekannten Theerose.
[The foliage is very bright green, the middle of the 5 leaves the longest, the lowest the lesser, the petiole somewhat reddish. The rose is 4 inches in diameter, and it is 1 1/2 inches high, quite full, the narrow leaves that stand inside, right, close-fitting, the outside arched, 1 1/2 inches high, 1 3/4 inches wide white, with a less reddish glow than the inner ones. If the flower is full blown, then all the leaves turn whitish. It has, like the previous, the lovely tea-smell.]
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There must have been another White China besides the Tea(s). Donald Beaton (Cottage Gardener 7(163): 97-99 (Nov 19, 1851)) discussed the "Old White China" apart from the Tea-scented roses.
China Roses: "For filling up the bottom of a rose-wall, Gloire de Rosamene is the best of all Roses; and for making bouquets of Roses in bud from September to Christmas the Rosamene and Old White China are the best; "
Tea-scented China Roses: "I never saw a real white Tea-Rose yet; Niphetos and Devoniensis were once called white, but they are far from it; light buffs, blushes, and yellows, are their prevailing colours."
Perhaps this is the White China illustrated by Andrews in his "Monograph".
"Our drawing was made from plants in the Nursery of Mr. Knight, who first raised them in the year 1816 by importations received from a Bengal vessel, and called them Rosa Bengalensis rubra et alba. They are, however, only seminal varieties from the Common China Rose. Their period of inflorescence is mostly during the summer and autumnal months;"
The one on the left of the picture has a pink bud and white blossom.
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#1 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
jedmar
Very interesting reference to yet-unknown early imports from China. How would you then interpret the text by Andrews on Rosa indica alba? One imported 1816 by Knight as Rosa bengalensis alba, one raised 1825 from seeds of R. lucida, then a further double variety by Rollinson?
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#2 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
Jedmar,
The Rosa indica alba was stated to be a seedling of R. lucida (bracteata).
Rollinson's Odorata seedling was reported to be similar, but double-flowered.
Perhaps these were reciprocal crosses of Odorata and Bracteata -- forerunners of 'Alba Odorata'.
Karl
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#3 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
Hortus Addlestonensis (1829) Plants cultivated and sold by John Cree (county of Surrey)
p. 32 ROSA 14 bracteata C.E.P. Macartney May, Oct. 15 white 15 b. plene C.E.P double ditto 15 ditto
p. 33 80 Bengalensis alba 16 blush
p. 34 99 odorata P. sw scented China March, Oct. 10 blush B.R. 804 100 b. flavescens P. yellow ditto ditto 6 pale yellow
A double-flowered Macartney had turned up (Rollinson's?); Bengalensis alba is available; no white-flowered Odorata listed.
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#4 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
Hortus Duroverni (1831) William Masters
p. 62 251 indica - blush China 252 semperflorens - everblowing
p. 63 Garden Varieties from the two latter Species. 253 White China 254 Yellow China 255 Animating 256 Bichonii 257 Indica minor 258 Purpurea 259 Brooke's Climbing 260 Odoratissima 261 Longifolia 262 Bengalensis rubra 263 Bengalensis alba 264 Semperflorens major 265 Barclayana 266 Sadi 267 Subalba 268 Thisbe 260 Armata 270 Florida 271 Roxburghii 272 Bengal formidable 273 Lawrenciana 274 Odorata 275 Duchess de Berri 276 Indica major 277 Purpurea rubra 278 Soulangiana 279 Crimson odorata
307 bracteata - Lord Macartney's - China 308 plena - double - gardens
Here we see 253 White China separate from 267 Subalba, and that the double Macartney was a garden variety rather than a direct importation.
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#5 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
And some more references:
Sweet's Hortus Britannicus (1839) p. 216 subalba - whitish China (under indica) flavescens - yellow China (under odorata) (No other white varieties mentioned)
American Flower-garden Directory (1832) Hibbert & Buist (Philadelphia, Pa.) p. 184 No. 11. Rosa odorata alba, or White-tea, is not so odorous as No. 8 [Rosa odorata, or Tea-rose], but blooms more profusely, and grows more freely. The beautiful and neat appearance of the buds, when half expanded, is not surpassed; and when full blown, they are a fine delicate white. The bush in that state is showy, much admired, and scarce; we are not positive of its being hardy. No. 12. Rosa Bengal, or Yellow-tea, is a very free flowerer, the shape of the flower is more like No. 8. than any of the others; the petals are large and gracefully set, having a peculiar scent or flavour, and is of a sulphur colour. We cannot say as to its being hardy, but suppose it as much so as No. 8. p. 186 No. 20. Rosa Indica alba pleno, or white China, is a rose of free growth, abundant in flower, and pure white, which renders it very desirable; is larger than No. 1 [Rosa indica, common China or daily], is greatly admired, and rare; requires rich light soil.
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#6 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
Catalogue of kitchen garden, flower, tree and grass seeds, etc (1843) By George C. THORBURN (New York) p. 49 White China, or daily rose - French white, very constant bloomer 'Bourbon' is the only "white" Tea Scented listed.
Flora Odorata (1843) Frederick Thompson Mott (Great Britain) p. 93 "The White China Rose, R. indica, is much esteemed for its elegant and delicate flowers, and also for its delightful fragrance. It is rather tender, requiring protection during the Winter, when planted in the open air; but it is generally grown as a pot plant, for which it is well adapted. It may be propagated by cuttings taken off during the Summer, and planted under a hand-glass in light rich soil, or they will root more quickly if planted in pots on a little heat."
[This is a little ambiguous because of the fragrance. However, it was not a seedling of Old Blush, as Andrews assumed.]
Proceedings of the Annual Meeting, NY State Agric. Soc. vol. 6 - 1846 (1847) p. 86-87 "By Elwanger and Barry, of the Mount Hope Nurseries, Rochester, twenty-nine varieties of Roses ... Vanilla scented, White China and Madonna."
The Illustrated London News, Volume 2 (July 1, 1843) Grand Floral Fete at Glazenwood p. 12 "... a perfectly unique specimen of the double yellow China or magnolia rose; ... and a beautiful mixture of the dark red and white China roses;"
The Rose Manual (1844) Robert Buist p. 112-113 "Flavescens, or Yellow Tea, pale straw colour, extremely large bold petals; it is very splendid when half expanded, but when full blown is loose and not fully double; it bears an abundance of seed, but we have never produced a good rose from it. This plant was introduced into England from China, by Mr. Parks, about the year 1824. In fresh sandy rich loamy soil it grows very strong, and flowers profusely, but does not thrive in heavy soils. My late partner, Mr. Hibbert, introduced this rose and the White China into this country in 1828, and the first plants that were sold of them was in 1830; they are now found in thousands over every part of the United States."
[The White China mentioned by Buist was called "Sarmeteuse" [sic] elsewhere in the book. It was most likely a Noisette-type.]
The Cottage Gardener 4: 392-394 (Sept. 26, 1850) Donald Beaton "This White China rose had the good fortune to come into the world before they found out the way to give roses such hard names, and, like old gardeners, very few people care anything about it; in short, I do not know if the nurserymen grow it at all, it is so old; but this I do know, that they grow no China rose half so useful. It is in full flower every day from May to December, and late in the season it is the only white rose one can pick to make a variety in the glasses. In November the buds of it are as hard as acorns, and as pointed as a bayonet, and if it is wet weather, the out side row of petals look much faded, and nine persons out of ten would pass it as gone; but strip off the faded covering and you have the nicest white rose bud you ever saw, and it will keep ten days fresh in a dry warm room. All the autumn roses for house decoration ought to be cut before the buds are more than half blown; they will keep all the longer, and look as well if not better than if they were quite open; they escape the damp, and will open in the glasses."
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#7 of 9 posted
30 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
Page's Prodromus (1818) Cultivated in the Southampton Botanic Gardens William Bridgewater Page p. 156 Greenhouse Plants - Rosa. berberifolia - Barberry-leaved Laurenceana - Miss Laurence's Sinica - Three-lvd: China suaveolens - Tea-scented Rosa subalba - Nearly White
Rosacearum Monographia vol. 1 (1823) Leopold Trattinnick p. 40 XI. Rosa Indica. 1. turbinata. 2. fragrans. 3. subalba
Catalogue of Plants, which are Sold by Conrad Loddiges and Sons, Nurserymen (1820) p. 25 Rosa indica bichonia, centifolia, major, minor, purpurea, subalba
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#8 of 9 posted
2 FEB 14 by
CybeRose
I jumped the gun on "subalba". Redoute painted this one, said to have been raised from seed by Cels in 1804.
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I also think it likely that there was both an old white daily/monthly Bengal/China rose AND an old white Tea or tea-scented China. See the 1844 reference from Buist: "Indica Alba is the very popular White Daily Rose first imported by this country in 1828, and now spread through every town, village, and garden of the Union. It is very much like the old White Tea Rose, though the petals are not so thick and waxy as that variety; the plant grows more freely and blooms more profusely..."
Both the "Old White" Tea and China roses that were popular seem to have been mostly white with some (occasional?) pink streaks to the outer petals; the Tea may have had a tendency to proliferate, but I only saw one mention of it, so that could have just been that particular clone.
Something that isn't clear from early references is whether some early breeders thought China roses were all of one species, and so seedlings should 'come true' and be identical to the parent? If that's so, there may have been any number of mostly-white Chinas called R. indica alba (and a number of pink Chinas and a number of red Chinas) all treated as if they were pretty much the same species, and sorted only by color? Virginia
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E. P. Ventenat: Descritions des Plantes nouvelles ou peu connues du Jardin de J. M. Cels. Paris, 1800
Obs. 2. Le citoyen Cels cultive deux varietes de la Rosa diversifolia; l'une dont les fleurs sont presque doubles, et l'autre dont les petales sont blanchatres.
Obs. 2. Cels grows two varieties of Rosa diversifolia; one whose flowers are almost double, and one whose petals are whitish.
The latter is presumably 'Subalba'.
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Could this "Odorata alba" be the same plant that is currently distributed as 'Alba Odorata'?
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