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'Belle Siebrecht' rose Reviews & Comments
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28 FEB by
Andi Stix
Thank you for the background on Belle Siebrecht. I'm giving a lecture on Sunday on Henry Siebrecht's Rose Hill Nurseries, and I will share your findings. I will use the following quotes from your reference:
1. Rosen-Zeitung, 1895, which references the purchase of S&W's rights to the rose in 1982 2. Transactions of the Massachusetts Horticultural Society, 1893, of receiving an award for the rose 3. The Gardeners' Chronicle, 1895, expressing British outrage on the name change.
I'm trying to understand the 1895 Wiener Illustrirte Garten-Zeitung article about the 'Belle Siebrecht' rose. The quote mentions it as 'a novelty of first rank, which is not a chance seedling, but the crossing of the two...' but doesn't specify the parents. I've found conflicting information suggesting 'Belle Siebrecht' might just be a renamed variety, not a hybrid. Can you help clarify whether it was a cross-bred rose or simply a name change?
Thank you for your assistance.
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28 FEB by
jedmar
I have added the full text of the article from Wiener Illustrirte Garten-Zeitung of 1895 plus its english translation. It is common understanding that 'Belle Siebrecht' is a renamed variety. There are other known cases where the whole production was bought by a nursery and commercialized under a different name. Not unusual in the 19th century and even sometimes today.
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28 FEB by
Andi Stix
Thank you for the white-lightening response.
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7 MAR 18 by
Margaret Furness
"A survey was undertaken by The Argus newspaper to determine the most popular roses of the period and best for general garden culture. In the Wilson Bros. Nursery catalogue it is offered as The Argus Collection. " Belle Siebrecht was in the Argus Top 12 for many years, and must have been in nearly every garden in Melbourne. However, the only rose grown under that name (or Mrs W J Grant) in Australia now is thought to be incorrect.
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10 JUN 15 by
CybeRose
Proc. and Bull. American Rose Society (1908) pp. 55-61 Essay on Hybridisation. By Alex. Dickson, Acting Director of Alex. Dickson & Sons, Ltd., Royal Irish Nurseries, Newtownards, County Down.
In our experiments and in struggling with the qualities we have indicated, we felt convinced that La France would prove one of the most useful parents we could possible have, if we could succeed in making it produce seed. It was of course the opinion of most hybridisers that La France was sterile, and with this opinion we were for a long time inclined to agree, and indeed the best that could be said for it is this, that there is just the possibility that it may be fertilized.
A Fine Rose.
Out of many hundreds of crosses with this rose, only in one single instance did we succeed in making it produce seed, but we feel that the labour we spent was amply repaid, as the ultimate result of it was the introduction of Mrs. W. J. Grant, known to you as Belle Siebrecht, in our opinion one of the finest roses in cultivation, at least from the Britishers' standpoint. In addition to this, we have always found from practical experience, the roses descended from this particular cross have always impressed their offspring with some at least of the more prominent qualities of the parents, and it was pursuing this particular line of breeding that enabled us to produce varieties, which from a British standpoint are ideal exhibition flowers, and at the same time the plants are floriferous and of excellent constitution. In this group we might mention Killarney, Mrs. Edward Mawley, Bessie Brown, Liberty, Lady Moyra Beauclerc, Lady Ashton, Mrs. David McKee, Dean Hole, Countess of Derby, Betty, Mrs. G. W. Kershaw, and last but not least Mildred Grant and William Shean, two of the finest exhibition roses at present in cultivation in Great Britain. Mildred Grant resulted from a seedling between Niphetos and Madame Willermoz in the first instance, crossed with a seedling of our own, which is not in commerce, and the system of which this is an instance applies pretty generally to all the better classes of roses introduced by us.
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5 JUL 13 by
Ozoldroser
Frank Cant & Co Rose Catalogue Autumn 1897 Spring 1898 page 23 Mrs W J Grant (HT) (A. Dickson and Sons, 1895), an imperial pink; large flowers, beautifully formed, with perfect high centre; petals thick, heavy, and very lasting; the plant is a free vigorous grower with large glossy foliage, ever blooming, sweet scented, and perfectly hardy. std or half stds 3/6 Dwfs 2/-
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6 JUL 13 by
Patricia Routley
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